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Title: Chart success of Max Martin over the years
Post by: heyheyhey on December 03, 2017, 11:53:18 AM
I am interested in chart success of producers.

I don't know if this has been done / or is done elsewhere but i decided to plot the chart success of Max over the years.
To calculate his success i checked if each of his songs is in the billboard hot 100 chart. If the song is No 1 it gets 100 points, No 2 gets 99 points, etc., No 100 gets 1 point. These values are added together for all charts of one year.

My result is as follows:

(https://raw.githubusercontent.com/3ngthrust/calculate-chart-success-2/master/Chart_Success_of_Max_Martin.png)

No guarantee for correctness. The script used, the songlist and a list of the added values for each year ('Max_Martin_Output_10-12-17')  can be found on: https://github.com/3ngthrust/calculate-chart-success-2
Title: Re: Chart success of Max Martin over the years
Post by: nanofives on December 04, 2017, 04:58:18 PM
You should incorporate data from other major countries like UK or Australia, that would be a bit more accurate since the idea of USA being the center of the universe is bullshit, a lot of songs chart outside the US, see Rita ora.
Title: Re: Chart success of Max Martin over the years
Post by: backgammonfiend on December 04, 2017, 06:12:14 PM
how did this mans get points in more 2002 and 2003 when he released like 10 songs each year than in 2001 when he was still grinding
Title: Re: Chart success of Max Martin over the years
Post by: heyheyhey on December 04, 2017, 07:45:48 PM
QuoteYou should incorporate data from other major countries like UK or Australia, that would be a bit more accurate since the idea of USA being the center of the universe is bullshit, a lot of songs chart outside the US, see Rita ora.

I could look into the uk singles charts on billboard. It has to be on billboard, because those can be fetched easely. But they only have 20 positions, and the oldest chart online seems to be from 2011-01-29 with only 10 positions, but i can try.

Quotehow did this mans get points in more 2002 and 2003 when he released like 10 songs each year than in 2001 when he was still grinding

Yeah, this thing works by comparing the song titles. Sadly these titles are reused more often than i thought. So e.g. in 2002 the song with the title "Complicated" gets him some points (see https://github.com/3ngthrust/calculate-chart-success/blob/master/output_max_martin_02_12_17 ). Max has written a song with this title but the points would belong to avril's song. Because of reused song titles he sometimes gets more points than he should get.

So this not 100% exact and not good for comparing small differences. Still pretty shure that the general trend is right though and that Max e.g. was more successful on billboard in 2015 than ever before and crashed pretty hard chart wise.
Title: Re: Chart success of Max Martin over the years
Post by: backgammonfiend on December 04, 2017, 10:41:10 PM
so what you're saying is that the chart is wrong

shouldn't be that hard to fix if you limit the scanner to only detect chart entries sharing the name to within 2 years of the actual Max song's release. there might still be duplicates in that time, but i bet the Max song will be more popular, the difference should be negligible.

Max getting thousands of points for work by The Matrix, Darkchild is ugh
Title: Re: Chart success of Max Martin over the years
Post by: heyheyhey on December 06, 2017, 09:48:26 AM
Seems to be interest here for this kind of analysis.
I will look into it and try to come up with a way to get a precise evaluation.
Title: Re: Chart success of Max Martin over the years
Post by: heyheyhey on December 09, 2017, 01:36:39 PM
I reprogrammed the script. Not only song titles are checked but also the artist. Now the results look far more accurate. I updated the first post to picture the new result. The added values for each year can be checked on https://github.com/3ngthrust/calculate-chart-success-2/blob/master/Max_Martin_Output_06-12-17 . Let me know if somebody still misses a song in this list or finds another mistake in there.
Title: Re: Chart success of Max Martin over the years
Post by: nanofives on December 09, 2017, 06:01:06 PM
You added last year can't make you love me, which is a song that did not chart and was released 17 years ago.
You should add songs that max was involved in the production like Focus by Ariana, and if you all agree, songs that max had some kind of input like everyday or love myself or out of the woods.
Title: Re: Chart success of Max Martin over the years
Post by: heyheyhey on December 10, 2017, 05:15:17 PM
Good find. I tweaked the search again and included all the songs written or produced from Max's Wikipedia discography ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Martin_production_discography ) in the search list. The result looks pretty good to me.

The plot in the first post is updated. The result can be checked on: https://github.com/3ngthrust/calculate-chart-success-2/blob/master/Max_Martin_Output_10-12-17
Title: Re: Chart success of Max Martin over the years
Post by: heyheyhey on December 11, 2017, 05:32:42 PM
To finish this project off i created two more plots:

(https://raw.githubusercontent.com/3ngthrust/calculate-chart-success-2/master/Example_Producers.png)
(https://raw.githubusercontent.com/3ngthrust/calculate-chart-success-2/master/Example_Artists.png)

Just for those who are interested. No guarantee for correctness.
Title: Re: Chart success of Max Martin over the years
Post by: nanofives on December 11, 2017, 11:04:17 PM
lol, 2013 it's an interesting year, I'd like to see how Pharrell outperformed all these 4 producers.
Title: Re: Chart success of Max Martin over the years
Post by: B Steady on December 14, 2017, 03:37:23 PM
Quote from: heyheyhey on December 11, 2017, 05:32:42 PM
To finish this project off i created two more plots:

(https://raw.githubusercontent.com/3ngthrust/calculate-chart-success-2/master/Example_Producers.png)


Just for those who are interested. No guarantee for correctness.

It's either Karl Sandberg and Johan Schuster or Martin Sandberg and Karl Schuster.
Title: Re: Chart success of Max Martin over the years
Post by: heyheyhey on December 14, 2017, 05:12:12 PM
QuoteIt's either Karl Sandberg and Johan Schuster or Martin Sandberg and Karl Schuster.

Shure about this? English wikipedia has "Karl" as first name for both of them.
Title: Re: Chart success of Max Martin over the years
Post by: AlexanderLaBrea on December 15, 2017, 09:13:10 AM
It's Martin Sandberg and Johan Schuster, nothing else. Karl is secondary.
Title: Re: Chart success of Max Martin over the years
Post by: B Steady on December 15, 2017, 11:12:50 AM
Quote from: heyheyhey on December 14, 2017, 05:12:12 PM
Shure about this? English wikipedia has "Karl" as first name for both of them.

Wiki is really confusing. In the first sentence it says "Martin Sandberg", however the info box says "Karl Martin Sandberg" as birth name.
And now we have Alexander stating that neither of them has Karl as first name.
I guess we gotta stick with Max Martin and Shellback :D
Title: Re: Chart success of Max Martin over the years
Post by: AlexanderLaBrea on December 15, 2017, 11:57:27 AM
I can guarantee you that neither has Karl as the birth name. Swedish registrations are public with a noted given name, being Johan for Shellback and Martin for all mighty Max :) It's not uncommon in Sweden that the first name in order isn't the given name. Seems to be extra common with Karl. I don't know why!
Title: Re: Chart success of Max Martin over the years
Post by: B Steady on December 15, 2017, 01:15:45 PM
Quote from: AlexanderLaBrea on December 15, 2017, 11:57:27 AM
I can guarantee you that neither has Karl as the birth name. Swedish registrations are public with a noted given name, being Johan for Shellback and Martin for all mighty Max :) It's not uncommon in Sweden that the first name in order isn't the given name. Seems to be extra common with Karl. I don't know why!

Very interesting, thank you for your knowledge!
Title: Re: Chart success of Max Martin over the years
Post by: heyheyhey on December 15, 2017, 07:13:33 PM
Good to know, the names were a bit unusual on that picture. Fixed it  :D.
Title: Re: Chart success of Max Martin over the years
Post by: bugmenot on December 16, 2017, 10:36:43 AM
QuoteSeems to be extra common with Karl.

Probably parents meant King Martin and King Johan.
Title: Re: Chart success of Max Martin over the years
Post by: nanofives on February 09, 2021, 01:47:11 PM
I would love to know how this graph looks now that Max had the biggest hit of 2020.