Inside-info: CHEIRON Songwriting Techniques and "Rules"

[Axel]

I second that.

Bohemian Rhapsody broke all rules.

[j.fco.morales]

#1 rule: There are no rules.

Well guys, you know what we mean about "rules"...

[ununtitled]

I heard that Savan Kotecha for instance literally has this Excel document that he uses when writing. If a certain part of the song doesnt' "fulfill" the requirements or whatever in this document, he'll have to change it..

[Rebecca]

wow, fascinating! I suppose he has to be so precise the fit the lyrics to the melody.

[sweetmelody]

I heard that Savan Kotecha for instance literally has this Excel document that he uses when writing. If a certain part of the song doesnt' "fulfill" the requirements or whatever in this document, he'll have to change it..

Where did you hear this and is there any more info? That would be great to know further!

[Rex]

I heard that Savan Kotecha for instance literally has this Excel document that he uses when writing. If a certain part of the song doesnt' "fulfill" the requirements or whatever in this document, he'll have to change it..

I need immediately that document! 

[RoyFan]

A thought:  Claude Kelly, a pretty good melodist himself these days said Akon taught him this:
Try not to waste too many notes. 
Look at -

1) Verse melody of "Who Knew" - a relatively Long melody, in terms of notes - but not ONE note is wasted
2) Verse melody of "Since U Been Gone" - and the Pre-chorus for the same song - Relatively shorter melodies in and of themselves - they're repeated more
- but the same tight fit, no wasted energy - Listeners (not only Zen Musicians like Max) can easily hear wasted stuff and generally don't get it

At least for Pop -  you can write catchy music and still break those 2 rules, but they're a good guideline for modern day success

[RoyFan]

The above point may seem obvious as listeners. - But it seems like lots of us here are aspiring writers.
I've found the above tip really useful.  Key is just to notice as you're doing it.   And then try to say the same thing more efficiently.

Or take out the weak/un necessary -

Even for all those Gods like Max, they probably are aware of the fact that it's an Emotional/Brain process together usually - and even with all their
formulas/knowledge they probably write crap when the mood isn't right.