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Title: Katy Perry - Chained To The Rhythm
Post by: turnaround on February 07, 2017, 12:42:01 PM
So far we know:


https://www.popjustice.com/thenews/katy-perrys-performing-her-new-single-apparently-out-this-friday-at-the-grammys/

QuoteUltimate Music are saying, via a Billboard article that doesn't actually mention the name of the single, that it's called 'Chained To The Rhythm' and that Skip Marley is involved (Perry was banging on about his new single the other day). It's also saying it's out on Friday, which seems likely given the Grammys is two days later.

according to a report from HDD, "Chained To The Rhythm" is produced by the famed Max Martin ("Rise" and nearly every monstrous pop song in the last 20 years) and co-written by Sia ("Double Rainbow").

Composer   
Ali Payami
Sia Furler
Katy Perry
Max Martin
Skip Marley


Producer   
Max Martin
Ali Payami

[spotify]https://open.spotify.com/track/5ndfVSDyPq90jaIUhNPeby[/spotify]


Title: Re: Katy Perry - Chained To The Rhythm
Post by: j.fco.morales on February 08, 2017, 02:54:09 AM
I'm sure this is not produced by Max alone.
Press always give him credits and forget his creative crew.
Title: Re: Katy Perry - Chained To The Rhythm
Post by: melodicmoonlight on February 08, 2017, 05:10:20 AM
Clip: https://www.instagram.com/p/BQOmXkNgRI3/
Title: Re: Katy Perry - Chained To The Rhythm
Post by: Rebecca on February 08, 2017, 11:03:57 AM
I'm excited about this! that snippet sounds great.
Title: Re: Katy Perry - Chained To The Rhythm
Post by: B Steady on February 08, 2017, 03:33:54 PM
Quote from: melodicmoonlight on February 08, 2017, 05:10:20 AM
Clip: https://www.instagram.com/p/BQOmXkNgRI3/

Next Ali & Max hit
Title: Re: Katy Perry - Chained To The Rhythm
Post by: j.fco.morales on February 08, 2017, 06:20:42 PM
Quote from: B Steady on February 08, 2017, 03:33:54 PM
Next Ali & Max hit

Hope we get the official info soon :)
Ali is my fave.
Title: Re: Katy Perry - Chained To The Rhythm
Post by: melodicmoonlight on February 08, 2017, 07:48:34 PM
Definitely has that Sia vibe, with a little of Original High + 1989 https://twitter.com/nuthaniel/status/829381692775333890?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Title: Re: Katy Perry - Chained To The Rhythm
Post by: turnaround on February 09, 2017, 09:59:29 AM
http://www.josepvinaixa.com/blog/katy-perry-chained-to-the-rhythm

Sounds really awesome.
Title: Re: Katy Perry - Chained To The Rhythm
Post by: B Steady on February 09, 2017, 10:05:46 AM
Quote from: melodicmoonlight on February 08, 2017, 07:48:34 PM
Definitely has that Sia vibe, with a little of Original High + 1989

If you replace TOH with Starboy then you're right. Sounds like a mix of Style, Rockin' and I Feel It Coming.
Title: Re: Katy Perry - Chained To The Rhythm
Post by: georg_e on February 09, 2017, 04:08:57 PM
Quote from: turnaround on February 09, 2017, 09:59:29 AM
http://www.josepvinaixa.com/blog/katy-perry-chained-to-the-rhythm

Sounds really awesome.
It really does :-) The prechorus is especially great, love chorus too though. Really good feeling on this song.
Title: Re: Katy Perry - Chained To The Rhythm
Post by: nanofives on February 10, 2017, 01:38:58 AM
Is this the beginning of upcoming Sia and Max collabs? The song is very promising.
Title: Re: Katy Perry - Chained To The Rhythm
Post by: melodicmoonlight on February 10, 2017, 05:11:53 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gsGhdZDC-0

The song is fantastic. The bridge, outro, and drop out is the best.
Title: Re: Katy Perry - Chained To The Rhythm
Post by: turnaround on February 10, 2017, 08:53:46 AM
Composer   
Ali Payami
Sia Furler
Katy Perry
Max Martin
Skip Marley


Producer   
Max Martin
Ali Payami
Title: Re: Katy Perry - Chained To The Rhythm
Post by: B Steady on February 10, 2017, 12:36:14 PM
CTTR pre chorus = Style + Rockin' pre chorus lol

The chorus lyrics bother me.

Don't really like it, that means, I'll love it in a few weeks. At least now we know why "Katy" promoted Skip haha ...

But yeah, how the last chorus comes in after the Skip part really makes the song. Makes me almost fall in love with it while typing this haha :D
Title: Re: Katy Perry - Chained To The Rhythm
Post by: turnaround on February 10, 2017, 05:38:02 PM
This is really hypnotic. Still sounds like an album track to me.

But maybe she does not release the strongest song as the first "single" as she did it with Prism neither.

Probably this won't go to no #1. Ed Sheeran is too strong right now.

Title: Re: Katy Perry - Chained To The Rhythm
Post by: melodicmoonlight on February 10, 2017, 08:32:31 PM
Quote from: turnaround on February 10, 2017, 05:38:02 PM
This is really hypnotic. Still sounds like an album track to me.

But maybe she does not release the strongest song as the first "single" as she did it with Prism neither.

Probably this won't go to no #1. Ed Sheeran is too strong right now.

Hypnotic for sure, the way the chorus repeats with a barely-there chord change. It's almost entrancing, the way the production works, and at the end she proves it by singing "it goes on and on and on and on," pretty ingenious pop song crafting with this track. I think it's a very strong lead single with a statement, catchy hook, and memorable lyrics. I can see it going #1.
Title: Re: Katy Perry - Chained To The Rhythm
Post by: nanofives on February 10, 2017, 10:20:09 PM
It's released in a time where the political background could play a big part in gaining radio airplay for democrats, at least that's how critics perceive this. This is a top 10 easily, a proper comeback.
Title: Re: Katy Perry - Chained To The Rhythm
Post by: georg_e on February 11, 2017, 01:15:12 AM
Can there be a version without that bridge though?
Title: Re: Katy Perry - Chained To The Rhythm
Post by: rxpills on February 11, 2017, 06:14:04 AM
Without Bonnie, Luke, and Cirkut, Katy's not the same.
Title: Re: Katy Perry - Chained To The Rhythm
Post by: B Steady on February 11, 2017, 10:18:49 AM
Interesting chord progression. There may be no other song in mainstream pop history with this progression. I know it's not too spectacular but yet quite rare.

She just posted a new snippet to her Instagram story.
Title: Re: Katy Perry - Chained To The Rhythm
Post by: georg_e on February 11, 2017, 08:54:09 PM
What's happening with the time signature in the first part of the pre/chorus?
Highly cool, but can't figure it out yet by counting......it doesn't stay in 4/4 time in first couple of bars .
Title: Re: Katy Perry - Chained To The Rhythm
Post by: melodicmoonlight on February 12, 2017, 05:38:01 AM
It stays in the 4/4 count....
Title: Re: Katy Perry - Chained To The Rhythm
Post by: Rebecca on February 12, 2017, 10:32:04 AM
I love this song! I gave it an 8 for now.

The beginnings of the verses remind me of The Carpenters "We've Only Just Begun".

I also love the lyric video to Chained.
Title: Re: Katy Perry - Chained To The Rhythm
Post by: j.fco.morales on February 12, 2017, 04:33:31 PM
I like the track a lot more than the topline and the lyrics.
Too soft when it could have been edgier.

What I like the most, is that it's different from what's popular right now.
And I love the risks.
Title: Re: Katy Perry - Chained To The Rhythm
Post by: B Steady on February 15, 2017, 05:14:49 PM
Quote from: melodicmoonlight on February 12, 2017, 05:38:01 AM
It stays in the 4/4 count....

lol yeah
Title: Re: Katy Perry - Chained To The Rhythm
Post by: B Steady on February 15, 2017, 07:25:42 PM
Quote from: georg_e on February 15, 2017, 07:16:13 PM
Try counting in 4/4 time out loud to it, friend. If you got that far in arithmetic.

Most embarrassing post of the year already.  ;D ;D ;D

Hi my name is george and I have massive problems staying in the rhythm hahahaha

Quite an impressive self-disqualification :)

@all: The hole of an friend is automatically replaced by "friend" in this forum
Title: Re: Katy Perry - Chained To The Rhythm
Post by: turnaround on February 15, 2017, 07:27:20 PM
@george_e: Please mind your language. There is enough hatred in this world, let's keep this place her constructive and happy. It's probably in Max spirit.
Title: Re: Katy Perry - Chained To The Rhythm
Post by: georg_e on February 15, 2017, 07:32:19 PM
Quote from: B Steady on February 15, 2017, 07:25:42 PM
Most embarrassing post of the year already.  ;D ;D ;D

Hi my name is george and I have massive problems staying in the rhythm hahahaha

Quite an impressive self-disqualification :)

@all: The hole of an friend is automatically replaced by "friend" in this forum
Any ONE of your posts qualifies for most embrassing of the year .
Title: Re: Katy Perry - Chained To The Rhythm
Post by: georg_e on February 15, 2017, 07:34:25 PM
Quote from: turnaround on February 15, 2017, 07:27:20 PM
@george_e: Please mind your language. There is enough hatred in this world, let's keep this place her constructive and happy. It's probably in Max spirit.
I will .....but "hatred"??? Please. Almost as overused word as "racist". And you don't think Max gets mad and swears?
Title: Re: Katy Perry - Chained To The Rhythm
Post by: B Steady on February 15, 2017, 07:34:55 PM
George, could you please record a video which shows how you try counting the 4/4 time sig. during the pre chorus?  :D
Title: Re: Katy Perry - Chained To The Rhythm
Post by: georg_e on February 15, 2017, 07:39:40 PM
That "friend" auto-replace ......now THAT'S embarrassing!!!! ::)
Title: Re: Katy Perry - Chained To The Rhythm
Post by: turnaround on February 15, 2017, 08:29:34 PM
Quote from: georg_e on February 15, 2017, 07:34:25 PM
I will .....but "hatred"??? Please. Almost as overused word as "racist". And you don't think Max gets mad and swears?
You get my point. No swearing in this forum. Thank you.
Title: Re: Katy Perry - Chained To The Rhythm
Post by: j.fco.morales on February 15, 2017, 11:05:52 PM
Quote from: Rebecca on February 12, 2017, 10:32:04 AM
I love this song! I gave it an 8 for now.

The beginnings of the verses remind me of The Carpenters "We've Only Just Begun".

I also love the lyric video to Chained.

Such a classic.
Title: Re: Katy Perry - Chained To The Rhythm
Post by: bugmenot on February 16, 2017, 08:03:11 AM
Seems 4/4 to me.
Sheet music say so too (http://www.musicnotes.com/sheetmusic/mtd.asp?ppn=MN0171703). Click words This is a 1 page sample. You'll receive all 7 pages after purchase.Click here to preview all pages.
Title: Re: Katy Perry - Chained To The Rhythm
Post by: B Steady on February 16, 2017, 09:59:41 AM
Quote from: bugmenot on February 16, 2017, 08:03:11 AM
Seems 4/4 to me.
Sheet music say so too (http://www.musicnotes.com/sheetmusic/mtd.asp?ppn=MN0171703). Click words This is a 1 page sample. You'll receive all 7 pages after purchase.Click here to preview all pages.

Why is this even a discussion? Why does it only SEEM 4/4 to you? Why do you need help? Y'all not chained to the rhythm.

What I really don't like about this song is the end. The beat fades out way too soon/fast. Still I rate it 8 now (unfortunately I cannot edit my vote in the poll).
Title: Re: Katy Perry - Chained To The Rhythm
Post by: melodicmoonlight on February 16, 2017, 11:04:43 AM
instrumental is out. i made a pretty good filtered a cappella
Title: Re: Katy Perry - Chained To The Rhythm
Post by: turnaround on February 16, 2017, 01:51:21 PM
You can now edit your vote - in case the song has grown on you or you were too euphoric.
Title: Re: Katy Perry - Chained To The Rhythm
Post by: georg_e on February 16, 2017, 03:35:29 PM
Quote from: B Steady on February 16, 2017, 09:59:41 AM
Why is this even a discussion? Why does it only SEEM 4/4 to you? Why do you need help? Y'all not chained to the rhythm.

What I really don't like about this song is the end. The beat fades out way too soon/fast. Still I rate it 8 now (unfortunately I cannot edit my vote in the poll).
Polyrythm https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyrhythm
In this case, melody phrasing of prechorus intentionally contrasts with the 4/4 time signature. It's indisputable. I heard this clash on my very first listen to the song. Made me wonder if they switched time signatures there. That was the point of my bringing this up in the first place, to ask what's happening there (it's tricky) but nobody wants to use/stretch their ears.........
Title: Re: Katy Perry - Chained To The Rhythm
Post by: B Steady on February 16, 2017, 03:45:54 PM
Quote from: georg_e on February 16, 2017, 03:35:29 PM
Polyrythm https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyrhythm
In this case, melody phrasing of prechorus intentionally contrasts with the 4/4 time signature. It's indisputable. I heard this clash on my very first listen to the song. That was the point of my bringing this up in the first place, to ask what's happening there (it's tricky) but nobody wants to use/stretch their ears..........

"[The time signature] doesn't stay in 4/4 time in first couple of bars ."

That's what you said, and that is wrong.

Nobody denied the melody phrasing contrasts with the 4/4 time signature.
Title: Re: Katy Perry - Chained To The Rhythm
Post by: georg_e on February 16, 2017, 03:50:10 PM
Quote from: B Steady on February 16, 2017, 03:45:54 PM
"[The time signature] doesn't stay in 4/4 time in first couple of bars ."

That's what you said, and that is wrong.

Nobody denied the melody phrasing contrasts with the 4/4 time signature.
"nobody denied it" because nobody HEARD it. My very first post on this was like "what's going my on there, sounds like maybe they switched time signatures"? All I got back "duh, it's in 4/4".
Really insightful answers, but I figured it out myself now.
Title: Re: Katy Perry - Chained To The Rhythm
Post by: B Steady on February 16, 2017, 03:51:58 PM
Quote from: georg_e on February 16, 2017, 03:50:10 PM
"nobody denied it" because nobody HEARD it. My very first post on this was like "what's going my on there, sounds like maybe they switched time signatures"? All I got back "duh, it's in 4/4".
Really insightful answers, but I figured it out myself now.

No, we are all aware of it but you were talking about the time signature which has nothing to do with the melody phrasing.
If you would've said "what's happening with the melody phrasing there" it would've been a different discussion - the discussion you were looking for.
Title: Re: Katy Perry - Chained To The Rhythm
Post by: georg_e on February 16, 2017, 03:55:23 PM
Quote from: B Steady on February 16, 2017, 03:51:58 PM
No, we are all aware of it but you were talking about the time signature which has nothing to do with the melody phrasing.
uh huh, sure you're "all aware of it" since I posted the link to polyrythm article! Interesting No one mentioned it before that. Case closed.
PS it has EVERYthing to do with the time signature, since it's the contrast beteeen the melody and the
time signature that creates the clash.
Title: Re: Katy Perry - Chained To The Rhythm
Post by: B Steady on February 16, 2017, 05:48:48 PM
Quote from: georg_e on February 16, 2017, 03:55:23 PM
uh huh, sure you're "all aware of it" since I posted the link to polyrythm article! Interesting No one mentioned it before that. Case closed.
PS it has EVERYthing to do with the time signature, since it's the contrast beteeen the melody and the
time signature that creates the clash.

What I wanted to say:
I (I won't talk for everyone else anymore) was aware that the melody contrasts with the time signature. Polyrhythm wasn't even the topic. The topic was a change of the time signature - that doesn't happen in the song. That was the actual "case" you wanted to close, not polyrhythm.

And with "has nothing to do" I meant it doesn't change the time sig.
Title: Re: Katy Perry - Chained To The Rhythm
Post by: j.fco.morales on February 17, 2017, 05:46:51 AM
There's no polyrhythm in pop music.

The only thing close to a pop song with different signatures is Crying in Public by Chairlift.
Title: Re: Katy Perry - Chained To The Rhythm
Post by: georg_e on February 17, 2017, 03:53:44 PM
Quote from: j.fco.morales on February 17, 2017, 05:46:51 AM
There's no polyrhythm in pop music.

The only thing close to a pop song with different signatures is Crying in Public by Chairlift.
Did you read the article I linked to? It mentions TWO Beatles songs that use it. And actually I think Katy Perry is maybe generally considered "pop music". (?)  ??? It also notes that the HOOK of Britney "Til the World Ends" uses it ....
Title: Re: Katy Perry - Chained To The Rhythm
Post by: georg_e on February 17, 2017, 04:39:35 PM
This is super good on "Til the World Ends"
http://adrienpellerin.com/post/6274133096/britney-spears-is-using-tuplets#_=_
Title: Re: Katy Perry - Chained To The Rhythm
Post by: j.fco.morales on February 17, 2017, 11:02:55 PM
Quote from: georg_e on February 17, 2017, 03:53:44 PM
Did you read the article I linked to? It mentions TWO Beatles songs that use it. And actually I think Katy Perry is maybe generally considered "pop music". (?)  ??? It also notes that the HOOK of Britney "Til the World Ends" uses it ....

I can tell the misreading of some concepts, nothing else.
Title: Re: Katy Perry - Chained To The Rhythm
Post by: georg_e on February 18, 2017, 03:30:50 PM
Quote from: j.fco.morales on February 17, 2017, 11:02:55 PM
I can tell the misreading of some concepts, nothing else.
That's hysterical. The guy spelled it out for you in the "Til the World Ends" article, with notation, even ( plus a video, if that wasn't enough) and you still don't get it.  ;D
Title: Re: Katy Perry - Chained To The Rhythm
Post by: melodicmoonlight on February 18, 2017, 08:35:37 PM
Stop fighting and just enjoy the music geez, what are you trying to prove, just quit it