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Title: Background vocals
Post by: turnaround on May 25, 2007, 11:38:40 PM
I just noticed how very very loud the background vocals of Andreas are on "Miracles" by Jessica Folcker.

I love these strong chorus backgrounds, and in this case it was only him singing  :shock:
Anders von Hofsten, Jessica Olsson are of course fantastic  8)

Do you have any more favourite background vocal moments?
I love also of course "How will I know" and "To be able to love", all songs where they top the production with the    icing on the cake.

Don't ever part
I need some time
All I'm dreaming of
Is to be able to love
Title: Background vocals
Post by: princessofegypt on May 25, 2007, 11:58:06 PM
Quote from: "turnaround"
Anders von Hofsten, Jessica Olsson are of course fantastic  8)

Jessica Olsson? lol. Do you mean Jeanette Olsson?
Title: Background vocals
Post by: turnaround on May 26, 2007, 12:02:59 AM
Oh of course,
Jeanette, sorry  :lol:

By the way, you are a singer princess?
Can we hear some records somewhere, where you appeared on?
Title: Background vocals
Post by: Rebecca on May 26, 2007, 12:40:42 AM
I love Max's background vocals on Nick Carter's I Got You -near the end.
Just lovely.
I'm pretty sure it's Max, just can't find the cd at the moment to check
Title: Background vocals
Post by: Tommy Nelson on May 26, 2007, 08:44:13 AM
Hello Everyone! :D Here's what I know about the backup vocalist at Cheiron. At Cheiron, the backup singers (including producers and songwriters) actualy sing more than the artist's themselves! In most songs, they are the ones that you hear "carrying" the songs for the artist. Especialy artist like Britney Spears, BSB, *NSYNC, Five, Westlife, LFO, E-Type and more. Let's start with Andreas Carlsson, HE is the voice of Cheiron... His voice can be heard on so many songs he's not even credited for. For example, he sings backup (or almost lead on the chorus) on most songs he writes the lyrics to. HE is the main voice you hear on songs like "I want it that way" and "Bye Bye Bye" and SO many more. Andreas is also responsible for the special "Cheiron Accent" that helped make the Cheiron sound. You ever notice how none of the artist that recorded at Cheiron just plainly say "You" "Me" and "Baby"... Instead, it's "May" and "Babay" and so on... Andreas, Max, Anders, Nana, and Jeanette are the ones responsible for most of the vocals at Cheiron. Another good example is Westlife. Besides Andreas and Max singing on almost every song, you ever notice that voice that always goes REALLY high after the break on most Westlife songs??? Well, that's not one of the Westlife kids (no matter who they picture lip-syncing in the videos). It's none other than Anders Von Hoffsten!!! Listen and see if you can pick out how many Westlife songs he does that same high run after the break on. :wink:  He also sings on most BSB songs "Don't wanna lose you now" for example. He's the one that goes up above AJ and finnished his run after the break. Another BSB song Anders lends his voice to is "It's true" where he does the same high run after the break. Nana Hedin is also responsible for vocals on SO MANY songs. Her voice is amazing!!! She is the one singing lead on the chorus of not only most of E-Type's songs, but ALL of Britney's too!!! She is the one who "carrys" songs like "...Baby one more time" and "Oops!...I did it again" and listen for her powerful voice on "Stronger" where she goes REALLY high in the background on the chorus!!! Also, in "Stronger", listen for Andreas (talking) through the verse's underneath Britney... :wink: Jeanette Olsson has an amazing voice also! Her voice is very soft and sweet. And she doesen't sing backup for just female artist, but for "boy bands" as well! They always used Jeanette for the higher piched vocals that a male voice just can't reach! Listen for her in *NSYNC's "I want you back" where she's harmonizing with Andreas on the 'Ooo, Ooo, ahh ahh oww!' part right before the chorus. :wink: Besides singing backup on so many songs, she also did alot of vocal coaching for many artist (including Britney) at Cheiron. I could go on and on... 8)

(http://i18.tinypic.com/4ttjvig.jpg)  : Andreas Carlsson

(http://i8.tinypic.com/63ww65h.jpg)  : Nana Hedin

(http://i12.tinypic.com/5zfxquo.jpg)  : Jeanette Olsson
Title: Background vocals
Post by: turnaround on May 26, 2007, 12:06:50 PM
Tommy, like always a pleasure to read  :D

I will listen to the songs you mentioned and try to notice all the details you mentioned.

Here is a picture of Anders von Hofsten, he also wrote a song for Westlife "Don't get me wrong", which was sadly wasted as a B-Side/Bonus-Track..

(http://www.buffalosongs.com/images/songwriters_producers/img_a_von_hofsten_liten.jpg)
Title: Background vocals
Post by: andrea on May 26, 2007, 12:09:33 PM
Quote from: "Rebecca"I love Max's background vocals on Nick Carter's I Got You -near the end.
Just lovely.
I'm pretty sure it's Max, just can't find the cd at the moment to check

yes, it's max

I Got You (3:57)
Backing Vocals - Max Martin
Guitar - Esbjörn Öhrwall , Peter Kvint
Recorded By, Mixed By - Max Martin , Rami

i love that part of the song!

tommy, where did you get these infos? it's strange that other people do the background voices for a boyband... :smt017 for example on i want you back i hear jc and joey's falsetto on the ooh ooh aah aah oow part...
Title: Background vocals
Post by: Tommy Nelson on May 26, 2007, 12:09:49 PM
:D Thanks Turnaround! I've never seen a picture of Anders Von Hoffsten. I love his voice!
Title: Background vocals
Post by: turnaround on May 26, 2007, 12:11:54 PM
I just looked and "To be able to love" - Andrea, Max and Jessica sang the background vocals.

It's like the best combination of voices ever I imagine  :)

I would love to listen to a song of Westlife/BSB without the background vocals once, and hear the difference..

Background vocals are a art in itself aren't they, so maybe that's why the band members don't sing them all theirselves.
Title: Background vocals
Post by: Tommy Nelson on May 26, 2007, 12:23:19 PM
:? Andrea, Boy band's that recorded at Cheiron have alway's had professional singers like Andreas, Max, Anders and Jeanette singing on their records. For example, listen to "Dreams come true" by Westlife. Hmmm.... I wonder why Westlife magicly sound like *NSYNC all of a sudden??? Because Andreas and Max are singing with them... Also, listen to "Don't you want it" by Five. Besides Max, you will hear the same 'ahh oww' from Andreas as in "I want you back". Compare the vocals...
Title: Background vocals
Post by: Tommy Nelson on May 26, 2007, 12:27:47 PM
:D Thanks Turnaround! To back that up, you can listen to these groups without the Cheiron singers. Just listen to the non-Cheiron filler songs on their albums and you will hear a big change in the vocals. Sometimes the vocals are so different in these other songs that they end up sounding like another group altogether! :D
Title: Background vocals
Post by: andrea on May 26, 2007, 12:37:47 PM
yes, you're right about Five, they aren't so good as singers... however I don't think that BSB need professional vocalist, infact Brian, Nick, or AJ make often more than one voice at a time.

you can download a plugin for winamp here http://www.analogx.com/contents/download/audio/vremover.htm
so you can hear better the background voices, because he remove mono sounds :wink:
Title: Background vocals
Post by: turnaround on May 26, 2007, 12:49:02 PM
In how will I know, the "uuuuuuuuuuuhhhs" "aaaahhhhhhhs" are absolute BLISS alone.

Oh and I know Jules hates Jörgen for doing "Instrumentals" as a B-Side with voices on it,  :wink:

Thanks andrea!!
Title: Background vocals
Post by: Tommy Nelson on May 26, 2007, 12:52:57 PM
:shock: Andrea, Then how do you explain the big difference in the vocals of these groups on the non-Cheiron songs? If all these "boy bands" really were singing 100% of the time there would be no difference in the voices and harmonys from working with one production crew to another... And how do you explain BSB, *NSYNC, Five, LFO ( especialy, "Sex u up" that's Andreas all the way!), Boyzone, and Westlife all having some of the same voices and harmonys in the Cheiron songs only? If it really was only their voices on all of their songs, they would always sound the same no matter who they worked with. :idea:
Title: Background vocals
Post by: andrea on May 26, 2007, 01:07:08 PM
i don't think that two more voices by andreas or max makes the difference in a four or five members' group... however it's possible that the producers add some background voices, but only for filling more the chorus, because backstreet boys, westlife and nsync can really sing well... :wink:
Title: Background vocals
Post by: Tommy Nelson on May 26, 2007, 01:25:00 PM
Yes, I do agree. I'm not saying they can't sing. Just that there is a reason why these groups sound alike and it's because they all worked with the same people and had the same backup, that's all... And in mixing, you don't just record a vocal track once. You record one vocal track and take that same recording and double it over on two tracks to fatten up the sound. In most of the Cheiron boy band songs, Andreas, Max, and crew are doubled over so many times that it does make up for the members of the band that don't sing as much. Another Cheiron trick is to record a track of usualy Andreas (talking) through the song verse's and chorus, double it, put it on two tracks and pan them to the left and right of the mix or underneath the lead vocalist. That also helps fatten the sound of the vocals. :idea:
Title: Background vocals
Post by: turnaround on May 26, 2007, 01:29:39 PM
Sorry to be so curious Tommy, but so much detail you know, have you been working with the Cheiron writers once?

The I used to go with the flow part from Stronger is great, I just noticed.
Title: Background vocals
Post by: Tommy Nelson on May 26, 2007, 01:37:06 PM
:lol: No, I haven't. LOL! However, I have been listening to productions from Cheiron since 1992! Quite a long time! Also, I am a musician and producer myself so I know a little more than the average listner... Yes, it is Andreas singing on that other part of "Stronger", 'I used to go with the flow'. :D
Title: Background vocals
Post by: Linda on May 26, 2007, 02:55:54 PM
Quote from: "Rebecca"I love Max's background vocals on Nick Carter's I Got You -near the end.
Just lovely.
I'm pretty sure it's Max, just can't find the cd at the moment to check

Thats one of my fave songs... you can hear Max so clearly :D
Title: Background vocals
Post by: Alex Martin on May 26, 2007, 03:15:39 PM
I GOT YOU is "The Song"

Great max in the chorus!!!!!!
Title: Background vocals
Post by: ®a|ÑßØw÷¢H!LÐ on May 26, 2007, 08:05:00 PM
Quote from: "turnaround"Oh and I know Jules hates Jörgen for doing "Instrumentals" as a B-Side with voices on it,  :wink:
ABSOLUTELY UPSETTING!! :smt013
Why is it called INSTRUMENTAL?? Cause it's just instruments and no vocals in it. Really annoys the shit outta me. Can't they just call it "Karaoke Version" to make it clear from the start whether it includes vocals or not...
Title: Background vocals
Post by: Rebecca on May 27, 2007, 07:17:43 AM
Quote from: "Tommy Nelson":D Thanks Turnaround! To back that up, you can listen to these groups without the Cheiron singers. Just listen to the non-Cheiron filler songs on their albums and you will hear a big change in the vocals. Sometimes the vocals are so different in these other songs that they end up sounding like another group altogether! :D

Really? I disagree that boy bands singers sound completely different in the non-Cheiron songs. BSB have very distinct voices to  me and I can hear clearly each of their voices and they sound the same in the non-Cheiron songs. Especially Brian - have you listened to his solo album? his voice sounds the same as in BSB, don't tell me Max and Andreas did the vocals for his solo album! I have also been to 2 BSB soundchecks and heard their voices very clearly with not much amplification, their voices are great, they sing great, it wasn't pre-recorded either because they mucked around with the lyrics a bit to make us laugh.

I agree that Max, Andreas or other singers might be singing background but they are not carrying the song.

As for Westlife, they don't have that many Cheiron songs, they have sung so many Mac/Hector songs and also covers - their voices sound pretty similar no matter what song, album to album.

I agree with Five as their vocals are not as good they may have needed more help.

I also agree with Britney as she is just a solo singer so would need more help and Nana and the other ladies are just amazing singers. However, I think Britney is carrying the song though with help. No doubt she has voice coaching.
Title: Background vocals
Post by: Rebecca on May 27, 2007, 07:19:57 AM
Quote from: "andrea"i don't think that two more voices by andreas or max makes the difference in a four or five members' group... however it's possible that the producers add some background voices, but only for filling more the chorus, because backstreet boys, westlife and nsync can really sing well... :wink:

agreed!
Title: Background vocals
Post by: Rebecca on May 27, 2007, 07:26:56 AM
Quote from: "Tommy Nelson":shock: Andrea, Then how do you explain the big difference in the vocals of these groups on the non-Cheiron songs? If all these "boy bands" really were singing 100% of the time there would be no difference in the voices and harmonys from working with one production crew to another... And how do you explain BSB, *NSYNC, Five, LFO ( especialy, "Sex u up" that's Andreas all the way!), Boyzone, and Westlife all having some of the same voices and harmonys in the Cheiron songs only? If it really was only their voices on all of their songs, they would always sound the same no matter who they worked with. :idea:

Tommy I think all your information is very interesting and I like how you know more about the behind the scenes info and thanks for sharing.

However, I do disagree that BSB, NSync, Five, Boyzone and Westlife all sound the same. Personally I can easily tell the difference between each singers. Justin and JC who carry most of NSync's songs sound quite different from AJ, Brian and Nick who sing most of BSB, Five are also different, Westlife also different voices. Re Boyzone they're completely different again - Ronin Keatings voice is distinct. I don't really know LFO.

I agree that the Cheiron songs are similar eg I Want You Back could have been sung just as well by BSB as it was by NSync.

I have spent way too long listening to boybands I think!
Title: Background vocals
Post by: Tommy Nelson on May 27, 2007, 07:51:32 AM
Singing live at a concert is different... I was talking about album tracks and how there is a change in the overall sound of these groups when working with one producer to another. With BSB, Andreas sings with them on most of the Cheiron songs, and he does make a big difference! I can always hear when he's not there and it doesen't sound the same.
Listen to "We've got it goin' on" and "Everybody (Backstreet's Back)" or "I want it that way" (W/Andreas). Then listen to some non-Cheiron songs on their albums. With Westlife it's the same, The vocals on the Cheiron songs like "When your're looking like that" or "Dreams come true" (where they magicly turn in to *NSYNC because Andreas is singing) are very different than the Mac/Hector songs. And most of Westlife's hit songs have been produced at Cheiron. And read the credits on the "World of our own" album. Anders Von Hoffsten and Andreas Carlsson can both be found there. However they do sing backup without it being listed also. And on a personal note, I only listen to the Cheiron songs of each group because they are SO much better than the rest of the album "Filler" songs that are produced by other producers. It's funny how some people just don't know. :?
Title: Background vocals
Post by: Tommy Nelson on May 27, 2007, 08:00:28 AM
And to add, Listen to Boyzone "Will be yours" and LFO "Sex u up" and tell me you don't hear Andreas Carlsson, Max Martin and Anders Von Hoffsten. And when Cheiron produced just 1, 2, or 3 songs on an album or in Boyzone's and LFO's case (just 1 song each). Why do these songs sound nothing like the others on their album??? :?

P.S I'm focusing on the voices heard in the backup and chorus singing... I CAN tell the difference between the voices of the members of each group.

Also, I am a recording and mixing engineer and have been studying for years, so I guess I listen to things much differently than the average listner. Because of this, I tend to focus more on production than to the group or artist.
Title: Background vocals
Post by: Rebecca on May 27, 2007, 01:38:15 PM
I agree there is a huge difference between Cheiron songs and non-Cheiron songs on BSB, Westlife etc albums. I suppose I put that down to the actual song which are usually (always?) so much better than the other songs.
I'm sure there are background singers that don't get credit and I'm sure Max and Andreas are singing background without credit - I believe what you say regarding that. However, I still disagree about the background singers impact on the song - for the boybands anyway. I'm not a musician, it's just what I think as a fan.

It's very funny, Tommy, that you think of the non-Cheiron songs as just 'filler' tracks. I think the same with a lot of the albums too! But not Backstreet Boys.

Anyway, it's an interesting discussion and will give me more to think about when I listen to the songs.
Title: Background vocals
Post by: turnaround on May 27, 2007, 03:20:48 PM
Random question..

Did Max speak this


"britney before you go, there's something i want you to have"
"oh its beautiful, but wait a miniute, isnt this... ?"
"yes it is"
"but i thought the old lady dropped it into the ocean in the end"
"well baby, i went down and got it for you"
"oh you shouldnt have""  :lol:
Title: Background vocals
Post by: jarle on May 27, 2007, 03:51:11 PM
Quote from: "turnaround"Random question..

Did Max speak this


"britney before you go, there's something i want you to have"
"oh its beautiful, but wait a miniute, isnt this... ?"
"yes it is"
"but i thought the old lady dropped it into the ocean in the end"
"well baby, i went down and got it for you"
"oh you shouldnt have""  :lol:

Yes, it's Max speaking. It's also him speaking in Lucky.

Btw, listen to Herbie - Big Funky Dealer. All the singing is Max and DaYeene. Also, in Michele - Do Me Baby, Max practically sings a whole verse by himself.
Title: Background vocals
Post by: Tommy Nelson on May 27, 2007, 05:26:39 PM
:idea: Jarle, in "Do me baby" that's Andreas Carlsson's voice on the solo 'Do me baby cause I wan't to break it down, there is no way that I can take it no more, uh uh, I know I'm not mistaking, a million heart's are breakin, I don't care if we can't do it right now, uh uh'... He also does a similar solo in Amanda's "Can't stop my love" which he also wrote the lyrics to. Also, in Five's "Partyline 555-on-line", Andreas sings the whole chorus, listen and compare... Max Martin has a very deep singing voice, listen to E-Type's "Russian Lullaby" or Five's "It's the things you do" and you will hear Max. :wink:
Title: Background vocals
Post by: ®a|ÑßØw÷¢H!LÐ on May 27, 2007, 06:17:43 PM
Quote from: "Tommy Nelson"It's funny how some people just don't know. :?
I think noone can actually make a decision if one song is better than another, cause it's all about taste.
If 10 people like this song better, and 5 like that song better, it doesn't mean that the first song is in fact better. Luckily tastes differ.
Title: Background vocals
Post by: ®a|ÑßØw÷¢H!LÐ on May 27, 2007, 06:21:35 PM
Quote from: "Rebecca"I'm not a musician, it's just what I think as a fan.
Doesn't mean that you can't hear and/or notice things just as fine...  :wink:
Title: Background vocals
Post by: jarle on May 27, 2007, 09:15:04 PM
Quote from: "Tommy Nelson":idea: Jarle, in "Do me baby" that's Andreas Carlsson's voice on the solo 'Do me baby cause I wan't to break it down, there is no way that I can take it no more, uh uh, I know I'm not mistaking, a million heart's are breakin, I don't care if we can't do it right now, uh uh'... He also does a similar solo in Amanda's "Can't stop my love" which he also wrote the lyrics to. Also, in Five's "Partyline 555-on-line", Andreas sings the whole chorus, listen and compare... Max Martin has a very deep singing voice, listen to E-Type's "Russian Lullaby" or Five's "It's the things you do" and you will hear Max. :wink:

Are you sure?? It definitely doesn't sound like Andreas to me. :oops:
Title: Background vocals
Post by: Tommy Nelson on May 28, 2007, 05:44:15 PM
:D Jarle, (and everyone else...), I'm not here to argue with anyone about who's singing or not, or about personal taste in music, (Jules...). In this case I do know it is Andreas Carlsson's voice on that song, no doubt 100%. I have been listning to Andreas sing for so many years and was shocked to hear that someone thought that his (Andreas's) voice was Max Martin's instead. Max does sing ALOT on many songs he's not even listed as a singer on. Max has a very deep singing voice, very far from the voice heard in "Do me baby". That's Andreas, he always sings with his unmistakable spunky flavor and attitude, that's his trademark! If you listen to the other songs I mentioned before you'll hear what I mean and get to know his voice. Maybe it's possible... when you hear Andreas's voice on a song you think that's Max singing? If you really know Max's voice you'll be able to pick him out of the mix in many songs. Here are a few more good examples of how Max's voice sounds. :wink:

Ace of Base - "Beautiful Life"... After the break on the (outro) chorus, Max sings with a deep voice 'It's - a - beautiful life', 'It's - a - beautiful life', plus he harmonized with the other singers till the end of the song.
E-Type - "Russian lullaby" Max sings the chorus mostly himself.
Army of Lovers - "King Midas" Max sings on the chorus.
Papa Dee - The Journey, I surrender, Angel. Max sings on the chorus.
Title: Background vocals
Post by: jarle on May 28, 2007, 06:02:03 PM
I guess you're right then :)
Title: Background vocals
Post by: andrea on May 28, 2007, 06:12:21 PM
you can hear very well andreas carlsson on 'frequency' by duncan james :wink:

edit: and who tells 'don't don't want you back' at the beginning of 'don't want you back' by backstreet boys?? :lol:
Title: Background vocals
Post by: Tommy Nelson on May 28, 2007, 06:34:28 PM
:D That's Max! He sings alot in that song. Also, Andreas Carlsson and Anders Von Hoffsten do some backup with him as well. Great vocals from all of BSB and the rest of the backing singers on that song.
Title: Background vocals
Post by: Linda on May 28, 2007, 07:11:58 PM
and on 5ive's song "Everybody get up" .. is it Max singing 1, 2, 3, 4 in the chorus?? or is that somebody else?
Title: Background vocals
Post by: Tommy Nelson on May 28, 2007, 07:17:40 PM
:D Yep! You got it Linda! That's Max counting. He does ALOT of stuff like that. He's also the one counting down '5 4 3 2 1 ignition' in E-Type's "Here I go again".

Also, Max sings alot on Five's "Don't you want it" w/Andreas too.
Title: Background vocals
Post by: Linda on May 28, 2007, 07:19:44 PM
nice one .. I had a feeling it was him.. his voice is very distinct :D
Title: Background vocals
Post by: turnaround on May 28, 2007, 08:21:26 PM
Fabulous! I must think of other songs I might wondering who sings what.
Title: Background vocals
Post by: andrea on May 28, 2007, 08:44:06 PM
you can hear well max doing '1, 2, 3, 4' on 'everybody get up'  :lol:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/7d72hg
Title: Background vocals
Post by: turnaround on May 29, 2007, 01:04:06 AM
Thanks.
I must say I am really fascinated by the work of background vocals and notice that I focus and it quite often these days when listening a song and trying to get the "formula"..

Good background vocals really make such a difference!!

I guess it is not easy to be a background vocalist.
You may not sound very unique I guess and can't have your own style.
Title: Background vocals
Post by: Rebecca on May 29, 2007, 02:14:12 PM
wow, okay, this will give me just another reason to listen to those songs again!
Title: Background vocals
Post by: Linda on May 29, 2007, 07:25:57 PM
yea me too.. i'm re-listening to everything :D
Title: Background vocals
Post by: turnaround on May 31, 2007, 02:59:30 PM
Quote from: "Alex Martin"I GOT YOU is "The Song"

Great max in the chorus!!!!!!
Just re-listened, and it's true.
His voice is so clear in the end, when Nick is doing the ad-lips.
Title: Background vocals
Post by: Massproductions on June 14, 2007, 11:31:12 PM
Even if there are background singers, the artists are very important for the songs. They are singing solos and improvisations, that the backgroundsingers can't do. Also they put their character and personality to it. The artists really can sing great!
Title: Background vocals
Post by: Rebecca on June 15, 2007, 02:42:17 PM
Quote from: "Massproductions"Even if there are background singers, the artists are very important for the songs. They are singing solos and improvisations, that the backgroundsingers can't do. Also they put their character and personality to it. The artists really can sing great!

nicely said!

and welcome
Title: Background vocals
Post by: NIKLAS"NiCkY" on June 15, 2007, 03:50:41 PM
Quote from: "Massproductions"Even if there are background singers, the artists are very important for the songs. They are singing solos and improvisations, that the backgroundsingers can't do. Also they put their character and personality to it. The artists really can sing great!

i agree, but in some case the bockroundsingers have the better voice......
Title: Background vocals
Post by: Tommy Nelson on June 15, 2007, 08:15:05 PM
^^^ I agree with Nicky26 100%. :D
Title: Background vocals
Post by: turnaround on June 15, 2007, 10:50:42 PM
Yeah, some background vocalists have the voices to become a star themselves, it's a shame they hardly ever release the right material, or just don't like to be in the spotlight!!

I hope Anna Nordell is soon releasing her first single under the name Anorah  :D

Faithful would be her perfect song.
Title: Background vocals
Post by: NIKLAS"NiCkY" on June 15, 2007, 10:53:29 PM
Quote from: "Tommy Nelson"^^^ I agree with Nicky26 100%. :D

man tackar.....
Title: Background vocals
Post by: Rebecca on June 17, 2007, 01:22:36 AM
I agree with Nicky and Tommy too - especially in the case of Nana Hedin. I prefer her voice to Celine's (though I'm not sure if Nana's voice is 'better' just what I prefer)
Title: Background vocals
Post by: Massproductions on June 18, 2007, 04:27:59 PM
Quote from: "Rebecca"I agree with Nicky and Tommy too - especially in the case of Nana Hedin. I prefer her voice to Celine's (though I'm not sure if Nana's voice is 'better' just what I prefer)

Thats a matter of taste, but celine have a great personality in her voice, that tuches many peaple. I can't say that I've ever heard anyone that sounds like Celine, and that's when you got something special. Also Britney Spears have a great voice, nobody have her voice. The backgroundsingers on britneys songs is very good but they lack of personality an aren't that good at supply feelings and communicate with the audience. Then we have the ability to dance and make a show. Also an artist has to have charisma and a look that peaple like. It can be a fat girl that peaple can recognize them selves in or a really goodlooking thin person to. But the audience have to like what they see to like the artist.
Title: Background vocals
Post by: Massproductions on June 18, 2007, 04:33:13 PM
Quote from: "nicky26"
Quote from: "Tommy Nelson"^^^ I agree with Nicky26 100%. :D

man tackar.....

Stämmer inte. In the case of cheirons artists, each of them where better lead-singers then the background singers. That's just a fact. May be that the backgroundsingers have better technique on singing, but that's not what makes a good lead singer. A good singer should tuch the audience, take Bob Dylan - He sucks at singing, and still he tuches he's audience - It's about communicating a feeling.
Title: Background vocals
Post by: NIKLAS"NiCkY" on June 18, 2007, 04:46:42 PM
Quote from: "Massproductions"
Quote from: "nicky26"
Quote from: "Tommy Nelson"^^^ I agree with Nicky26 100%. :D

man tackar.....

Stämmer inte. In the case of cheirons artists, each of them where better lead-singers then the background singers. That's just a fact. May be that the backgroundsingers have better technique on singing, but that's not what makes a good lead singer. A good singer should tuch the audience, take Bob Dylan - He sucks at singing, and still he tuches he's audience - It's about communicating a feeling.

ok so e-type have a better voice then NANA Hedin??...ok and my name is super mario bros... :lol:
Title: Background vocals
Post by: NIKLAS"NiCkY" on June 18, 2007, 05:10:47 PM
Quote from: "Massproductions"
Quote from: "Rebecca"I agree with Nicky and Tommy too - especially in the case of Nana Hedin. I prefer her voice to Celine's (though I'm not sure if Nana's voice is 'better' just what I prefer)

Thats a matter of taste, but celine have a great personality in her voice, that tuches many peaple. I can't say that I've ever heard anyone that sounds like Celine, and that's when you got something special. Also Britney Spears have a great voice, nobody have her voice. The backgroundsingers on britneys songs is very good but they lack of personality an aren't that good at supply feelings and communicate with the audience. Then we have the ability to dance and make a show. Also an artist has to have charisma and a look that peaple like. It can be a fat girl that peaple can recognize them selves in or a really goodlooking thin person to. But the audience have to like what they see to like the artist.

joana zimmer "hearts dont lie" sounds like celine dion....
Title: Background vocals
Post by: princessofegypt on June 19, 2007, 02:26:48 AM
LOL @ people like Britney or E-Type being better singers than Nana.  :smt005
Title: Background vocals
Post by: Rebecca on June 19, 2007, 01:07:22 PM
I guess comparing singing with singing is one thing but then you need to look at the whole package and performing skills onstage eg Britney dancing and looks good and yes I agree Massproductions, her voice does communicate a feeling and is also quite distinctive (well, I'm a Britney fan!). Like Kylie Minogue who technically doesn't have an outstanding voice but you know it's her when the song comes on the radio. There are so many sides to this.
Title: Background vocals
Post by: Massproductions on June 20, 2007, 10:37:13 AM
Quote from: "Rebecca"I guess comparing singing with singing is one thing but then you need to look at the whole package and performing skills onstage eg Britney dancing and looks good and yes I agree Massproductions, her voice does communicate a feeling and is also quite distinctive (well, I'm a Britney fan!). Like Kylie Minogue who technically doesn't have an outstanding voice but you know it's her when the song comes on the radio. There are so many sides to this.

That's my point! And... yes, in a way e-type have a better voice than Nana Hedin. If you replaced e-types vocals with only Nana Hedin the music wouldn't be near as successful. Everybody know when it's E-type, nobody sounds like him. They like him for that... Peaple don't care if he havn't got singing lessons. So if Nana would have sung all the parts, at least I don't think E-type would have been this popular.
Title: Background vocals
Post by: princessofegypt on June 20, 2007, 11:57:45 AM
Quote from: "Massproductions"

That's my point! And... yes, in a way e-type have a better voice than Nana Hedin. If you replaced e-types vocals with only Nana Hedin the music wouldn't be near as successful. Everybody know when it's E-type, nobody sounds like him. They like him for that... Peaple don't care if he havn't got singing lessons. So if Nana would have sung all the parts, at least I don't think E-type would have been this popular.

Wow. While it's true a catchy vocal style can make a horrible singer sell & be popular (see: Britney), that doesn't make them a "good" singer by any means. Either does the fact that his voice is more "recognizable" than Nana. :wink: And to say E-Type is a better singer than Nana just because he has a "singing" (I use that term loosely) style that was created for the sole purpose of hiding the fact that he has no vocal chops whatsoever, all I can say is wow. :shock: She could just as easily sing in a stylistic fashion herself, so just because that's what he does doesn't make him a better singer. You can prefer whoever you want, obviously, but I just think your logic is screwy.

QuoteSo if Nana would have sung all the parts, at least I don't think E-type would have been this popular.
And I don't think he would have even been successful in the first place if it wasn't for Nana's voice on his early recordings :wink: (among other things, like the production of Denniz).


Reading some of your prior posts, I knew you had a slight mental retardation, but this last post of yours cemented that as fact & took the cake for idiocy. Congrats. (http://i8.tinypic.com/54o4zzn.gif)
Title: Re: Background vocals
Post by: *Sabine* on January 18, 2008, 04:37:41 PM
To my mind, Nana Hedin's is the best background singer in the world. Anyone knows what she's doing right now?
But as this forum is devoted to Max, i'll focus on him...
I like his voice a lot in Rude Boys by Leila K. You can hear him a lot in the chorus.
I also love him in Dede's My lover in the passage "All i want to be is together, hoping that our love lasts forever, it's crazy but it's true, you are my lover".... Jessica also sings there and i think Max, Jessica and Nana Hedin is just the best combination you can imagine for backgroud vocals on a song (like on E-type's back in the loop) ...He's also great in Get to you, still by Dede. ("I know, i know you want me too").I really like the background vocals on E-Type's we gotta go, he can be heard clearly. i'm not alone by E-type has fantastic backgroud vocals by the way, especially at the end ("Oh Lord, I am not alone now": it echoes a bit like Ace of Base's Beautiful Life final background vocals).... This song has the same bass as Show me the meaning by the BSB...
Title: Re: Background vocals
Post by: BennyJ on January 25, 2008, 02:21:38 AM
Dont know if it was already posted but Max Martin sings background vocals in the verses of Britneys "Stronger" to make her voice sound deeper. I removed her voice from the track using a special technique and was surprised to hear max (at least i think it's him, could also be another guy, but i think its him).
Title: Re: Background vocals
Post by: princessofegypt on January 25, 2008, 04:35:20 AM
Quote from: BennyJ on January 25, 2008, 02:21:38 AM
Dont know if it was already posted but Max Martin sings background vocals in the verses of Britneys "Stronger" to make her voice sound deeper. I removed her voice from the track using a special technique and was surprised to hear max (at least i think it's him, could also be another guy, but i think its him).
the deep voice under her on the verses are Andreas.
Title: Re: Background vocals
Post by: *Sabine* on January 25, 2008, 09:33:11 AM
When she says 'I used to go with the glow', i thought it was Max. On the cd sleeve, in the credits, it reads the backing vocals are by brit, nana and max. I know that people that are not mentined in the booklet can contribute to a song (ex: Denniz to baby one more time  ::), but it just seems weird here. always thought it was Max. What makes you think it is Andreas? You heard it or you could identify his voice?

By the way, BennyJ, what is that software you use to remove vocals? Sometimes, I like playing with musicmaker, but it's not that powerful.....
Title: Re: Background vocals
Post by: BennyJ on January 25, 2008, 10:09:45 AM
Quote from: princessofegypt on January 25, 2008, 04:35:20 AM
the deep voice under her on the verses are Andreas.

how do you know?  :o
Title: Re: Background vocals
Post by: BennyJ on January 25, 2008, 10:42:29 AM
Quote from: *Sabine* on January 25, 2008, 09:33:11 AM


By the way, BennyJ, what is that software you use to remove vocals? Sometimes, I like playing with musicmaker, but it's not that powerful.....

I used some vst plugin for a music production software called Cubase but I don't have it anymore. You can try this tool though http://www2.yogen.com/Default.aspx?tabid=131 or search on the web for others, most of them work the same way. Don't expect the results to be good though.

Title: Re: Background vocals
Post by: *Sabine* on January 25, 2008, 11:25:36 AM
Oh thanks!! A friend of mine once gave me cubase but I never really tried to use it cause I'm a full time student you know! lol
No seriously, I'll try to install it for good and learn it... From what I remember, it seemed quite complex! :s
As you seem to know pretty much, do you know how to do fake instrumental versions out of the normal track and the acapella version? I heard it was possible....
Title: Re: Background vocals
Post by: BennyJ on January 25, 2008, 02:58:27 PM
Quote from: *Sabine* on January 25, 2008, 11:25:36 AM
Oh thanks!! A friend of mine once gave me cubase but I never really tried to use it cause I'm a full time student you know! lol
No seriously, I'll try to install it for good and learn it... From what I remember, it seemed quite complex! :s
As you seem to know pretty much, do you know how to do fake instrumental versions out of the normal track and the acapella version? I heard it was possible....

No, it's not possible ;) Of course, you can try removing the vocals or the background, but that only works to some extend. The main problem is that the parts you don't wanna remove are also affected so the result sounds very strange and really bad. Once the music is mixed, it's a combination of waveforms and can't really be reconverted to seperate tracks. This is especially true for popsongs since they are compressed to the maximum (for more loudness) so it's nearly impossible for a computer to find any structure in them.
Title: Re: Background vocals
Post by: *Sabine* on January 25, 2008, 03:20:44 PM
Yes, I know the result is not perfect but there are some fan made acapellas that do sound good (at least to me) on the internet. As an example, I'll post here a fan made instrumental of our beloved song baby one more time!

http://www.sendspace.com/file/cn6g7f


I would love to learn how to make other acapellas that well...
Title: Re: Background vocals
Post by: Feelgoodlies on January 25, 2008, 04:47:42 PM
actually I don't think there is a programme ever exist to fake an instrumental to sound close to an official one,and it won't be one unless producers tell us the secret of the recipe!!
Title: Re: Background vocals
Post by: *Sabine* on November 22, 2008, 07:15:52 PM
Listening to Rude Boy like Leila K now, I didn't remember how much I love that song. But I wanted to draw your attention to Max's vocals on that song, they're extremely clear, loud and very cool. It's weird cause he's the only one who sings the chorus actually, it's like a featuring Max! :D You should relisten to it. I'm also listening to the other: Murderer. You can also hear him and the excellent Jessica (Folker). I actually have Leila K's best of, I love it! Cheiron beginnings and Swemix. it is deeply and influenced by Denniz, Max and also Kristian.
Title: Re: Background vocals
Post by: maxmartin'sfan on November 23, 2008, 11:18:10 PM
heyhye Do Someone have the credits for the back Vocals of "Crazy (the stop remix)"?

I Would like to know how many singers are in the back, I Would like to know how to make this kind of Back héhé ^^
Title: Re: Background vocals
Post by: Raul_esp on November 23, 2008, 11:31:12 PM
Quote from: maxmartin'sfan on November 23, 2008, 11:18:10 PM
heyhye Do Someone have the credits for the back Vocals of "Crazy (the stop remix)"?

I Would like to know how many singers are in the back, I Would like to know how to make this kind of Back héhé ^^

Backing vocals by Max Martin / Rami Yacoub / Jeanette Söderholm / The Fanchoir  ;)
Title: Re: Background vocals
Post by: maxmartin'sfan on November 24, 2008, 01:12:47 AM
thanks thanks! ;D
Title: Re: Background vocals
Post by: maxmartin'sfan on November 24, 2008, 01:25:29 AM
someone could upload me the Stop Remix in .wav ? and send me the link ,  i need it for the back vocals!  i dont have this remix on my britney 's albums! thanks!
Title: Re: Background vocals
Post by: *Sabine* on November 24, 2008, 10:29:25 AM
I think I have it... see you on msn! ;)
Title: Re: Background vocals
Post by: cheironlover on March 29, 2012, 05:28:14 AM
OK then, :) who does the backing voices and lead on the choruses on "One Love" by Dr. Alban? :D
Title: Re: Background vocals
Post by: Gus_Pin on March 29, 2012, 04:18:31 PM
Quote from: cheironlover on March 29, 2012, 05:28:14 AM
OK then, :) who does the backing voices and lead on the choruses on "One Love" by Dr. Alban? :D

Backing vocals by Da Yeene, Chuck Antony & Kofi Benitez
Title: Re: Background vocals
Post by: cheironlover on March 31, 2012, 12:58:37 AM
Quote from: Gus_Pin on March 29, 2012, 04:18:31 PM
Quote from: cheironlover on March 29, 2012, 05:28:14 AM
OK then, :) who does the backing voices and lead on the choruses on "One Love" by Dr. Alban? :D

Backing vocals by Da Yeene, Chuck Antony & Kofi Benitez

Thanx 4 telling they did a good job.
Title: Re: Background vocals
Post by: cheironlover on April 30, 2012, 05:35:48 AM
Quote from: turnaround on May 26, 2007, 12:49:02 PM
In how will I know, the "uuuuuuuuuuuhhhs" "aaaahhhhhhhs" are absolute BLISS alone.

Oh and I know Jules hates Jörgen for doing "Instrumentals" as a B-Side with voices on it,  :wink:

Thanks andrea!!

I noticed that on BOMT when it goes "Oh pretty babeh (aaahhhhh) I shouldn't have let u gooooooooo (uuuuuhhhhh)"