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New Songs / Re: Billboard Hot 100 sounds like cr*p
« Last post by Dagge on Today at 04:13:30 PM »
I hate to say this, but I think their era is over. Looking at last couple of years, mostly not so clever, recycled melodies and hundereds of tracks of cacofony called arrangement. It's so far from their founder Denniz principle who said put a few tracks only, but make them good. I listened some stems, more than 100 tracks and you really dont know what they are trying to acomplish. For example layers of stereo synths layered together, all on same frequencies, quite amateurish and a nightmare for a mix. I wonder who made this, you never do that.

Those guys around Max are not stellar, Shellback for example has talent but he cannot compete with Max, he wore out his idea pool pretty fast, and his arr & produstion skills are not top notch. Max outpaced all of them, including Dr. Luke.

Stock Aitken Waterman hitmakers had same problem at the end of their era, putting tons of arrangement tracks trying to stay relevant, while their mix engineers said those songs were unmixable.

I think we are awaiting for fresh guys, and I'm sure rec industry A&R-s know that too (but don't want to tell Max & crew).
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New Songs / Re: 5 Seconds of Summer - working with Rami
« Last post by j.fco.morales on May 24, 2018, 09:09:48 PM »
6 Carl Falk + Rami cowrites on their new album.
Is out in June 22th.
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Sounds a lot like Julia Michaels.

The topline reminds me a lot of Selena Gomez' Bad Liar.
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New Songs / Re: Billboard Hot 100 sounds like cr*p
« Last post by j.fco.morales on May 23, 2018, 11:52:36 PM »
I suppose Max is relying on younger guys for modern arrangements while he is concentrated on a melody. 
I would like to see combination of Max melodies with fresh, moving and interesting arrangements made by some really talented guy. Looks like there are alot of good topliners but talented arrangers/producers are very rare.

That's it.

Plus, the charisma of the artist.
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New Songs / Re: Billboard Hot 100 sounds like cr*p
« Last post by Dagge on May 23, 2018, 01:28:00 PM »
Musically speaking, while we have to respect exCheiron style that prevailed on charts for so long, their arrangements and production sound quite boring and not moving  compared to 30 year old Quincy Jones/ Michael Jackson mixes for example. Those old arrangements and production are still unmatched by Cheironers that put layers of sound but their rhythm, moving and stereo image is quite boring and so to say static and 'automated'. They never play 'question' and 'answer' arrangement stuff. I think many of those guys including Dr Luke are lame compared to Jones/ Swedien lively and rich rhythmic arrangements. Hopefully new era will come that will make arrangements and production interesting and fresh again.

I am huge Cheiron fan but more and more I see them as boring, always same tricks, arrangements and 'math', while melodies are recycled infinitely. I suppose Max is relying on younger guys for modern arrangements while he is concentrated on a melody. The deal is probably you give me modern arrangement and I will give you my connections, looks like a a business agreement to me. Problem is that young guys do not posess enough skills needed for making highly interesting arrangements, which is a rare craft with both talent and experience required. If you download multitrack stems you will see what I am talking about. They all 'surf' on Max's melodies and his well oiled connections. YouTube is full of 'advices' about Max tricks, which is silly. When everybody and their neighbor is giving a tip for buying stocks, it's time to get out.

There is an old story about early Cheironers that stayed during nights in studio trying to copy Denniz and Max production and tricks. Which means they copied other's style instead of developing their own, that's why they all sounded the same, despite of their different ethnic origins.

I would like to see combination of Max melodies with fresh, moving and interesting arrangements made by some really talented guy. Looks like there are alot of good topliners but talented arrangers/producers are very rare.
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New Songs / Re: Billboard Hot 100 sounds like cr*p
« Last post by maximel on May 22, 2018, 01:13:34 PM »
... that came out almost 7 months ago.

Right. We haven't had that many Max songs charting extremely well since then... (Referring to the Billboard Hot 100) We have the new Ariana Grande single but I personally feel like that has more of a pop sound to it vs an attempt to do a mixture of pop and the U.S. trending style of rap. So it's a "new" song for him given us comparing it to other competetive songs on the Billboard Hot 100.
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