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The Weeknd - new single "Blinding Lights" (Max Martin, O. Holter)

Started by turnaround, April 20, 2015, 07:31:23 PM

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Snipes3000

I don't know what to think, as so many factors may influence if he's gonna touch 10 more number one hits. It would be against my odds to get 10 more number ones, I would say. 2019 hasn't been THAT bad for max at all. He was on number 2 with I don't care Ed Sheeran. It didn't went 1 because old town road was in the way but deserved to be number one. He also came with this blinding lights. But the greatest song I enjoyed in 2019 was Finish What We Started, which I think is a great, great song! If someone has a theory on why it didnt make billboard 100 please tell me. If there is a time for country to rise high in billboard it is 2019-2020. He released about 8 ariana grande songs, but ariana grande has oversaturated herself and needs to reinvent herself imo. Also the song with shellback for pink (miss you sometime) the sound design is really cheesy, I can't place it, just like Remember the name with Ed Sheeran. It sounds like a Dr Dre beat from 2005 (probably intentional), and such songs dont go to number one. I agree though that 2017 and 2018 were not impressive (special mention, however, to no tears left to cry).

And yes, you hit the most obvious point of the blinding lights song: the instrumental part in the chorus where just the lead synth is heard. There is no other max martin song I know of that has such a part in its first chorus. The lady gaga song also has something in the same spirit with the chopped vowel sound built in the chorus, playing a very similar role.
Hi, I'm Luke and I'm sitting on my throne! Oh, and have you noticed that Denniz PoP songs are extremely hooky?

McCartneyMartin

Quote from: AlexanderLaBrea on March 18, 2020, 04:30:33 AM
10 is probably impossible (11 to beat actually). Maaaaybe he can tie Lennons 26 but also doubtful. He's not getting younger and while I think he still has a lot of drive in him, it sure as hell ain't getting easier. I just hope he can continue to make great songs. The trends in music over the last years I feel have forced him and a lot of other writers into a direction I don't enjoy too much personally. I agree that Blinding Lights was a breath of fresh air and I hope that this new wave of retro pop can give his melody genius a little revival.

For sure he has a lot of protegerse they're having fruitful careers on their own but lack the real impact that Max always put into his songs. The only one that probably is up to his level is Shellback but he's tapped out also. maybe he can try to produce for couple of rock or metal bands since that was his roots and maybe give pop a break until the listening audience start having an interest in pop music again.

Only Human sounds like a step in the right direction. I wonder what it would sound like if he did work with Weeked on a track or two.

j.fco.morales

Well, looks like these are Oscar Holter's tracks with Abel+Max and some other collaborators doing the toplines and adding extra stuff.

And Oscar will be probably at his peak, after the Troye Sivan tracks and Katy Perry's Bon Appetit, which became a slow burner... I hated it at first but it's such a great track.

McCartneyMartin

Just heard the new Max tracks and damn what a comeback!! Everything is perfectly balanced in the mixing and Abel really shines on all them.

Probably the only track I didn't much care for was Hardest To Care mostly due to its drum n bass style production but Max also does brings the best out of The Weeked.

Maybe this is a sign that Oscar Holter is the new Shellback to help Max get a few more hits before he's too old to do it.

MarshallHolland

Idk if he's the new Shellback.....More like the new Ilya or Ali Payami. Max always takes new beat makers under his wing.

Snipes3000

Scared to live sounds like it was inspired by Akon's song called Sunny Day.
I love that bass in In Your Eyes. (Asking myself: would this type of played bass become a new trend, with Dr Luke doing kind of the same in the Say So song?)
Who has an idea about the synth used in the intro of In Your Eyes? Would it be a D50?
Hi, I'm Luke and I'm sitting on my throne! Oh, and have you noticed that Denniz PoP songs are extremely hooky?

nanofives

It's interesting how Abel split Max songs into two categories defined by its positions in the album. The second half is way more appealing to me.

McCartneyMartin

Quote from: Snipes3000 on March 20, 2020, 01:12:45 PM
Scared to live sounds like it was inspired by Akon's song called Sunny Day.
I love that bass in In Your Eyes. (Asking myself: would this type of played bass become a new trend, with Dr Luke doing kind of the same in the Say So song?)
Who has an idea about the synth used in the intro of In Your Eyes? Would it be a D50?
For sure, but then that sax solo came in on the bridge, and I was like is that it? But then it came back on the outro and I immediately fell in love back with the song! That's why I enjoy instrumental sections on songs like this which is something kind of lacking in today's music. It lets you enjoy the groove and overall atmosphere on the track your listening to. Let's hope that Max makes this a trademark of his on future productions.

Snipes3000

Was listening to that sax again. Sounds like it could be the standard brass preset found on the CS-80. Yeah, those solo's give the chills and good that you mention: I analysed many Max Martin songs and when it comes to the outro, he has - by my knowledge - never ended a song in this way. It's such a reward to give the bridge one more time and creates chills because it's going against the expectation (the expectation is mostly to expect that the song ends on the last few words of the chorus or b-hook ending on tonic or the riff fading out in gain or reverb tail).
Hi, I'm Luke and I'm sitting on my throne! Oh, and have you noticed that Denniz PoP songs are extremely hooky?

McCartneyMartin

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Quote from: Snipes3000 on March 20, 2020, 05:13:22 PM
Was listening to that sax again. Sounds like it could be the standard brass preset found on the CS-80. Yeah, those solo's give the chills and good that you mention: I analysed many Max Martin songs and when it comes to the outro, he has - by my knowledge - never ended a song in this way. It's such a reward to give the bridge one more time and creates chills because it's going against the expectation (the expectation is mostly to expect that the song ends on the last few words of the chorus or b-hook ending on tonic or the riff fading out in gain or reverb tail).
Exactly, We just don't get that in songs today, I mean it's such a treat, especially with singers/group that are trying to replicate that 80s style. Back then every song had an instrumental/solo of some sorts & it's nice to hear it again.

It also reminds me of Max's band, Its Alive, very first single from 1988 I have called "Time Waits For No One" (that's not even on Youtube at all). That song has that some of the same vibes (kind of also reminds me for a theme song for a late 80s tv soap opera) as I'm feeling in "In Your Eyes" with saxophone/horns all over it & if you can get a hold of it, it's worth a great listen!

Also I checked the Tidal credits for "In Your Eyes" & it credits one bloke named "Tomas Jonsson" who did the Tenor Sax on the track. So I don't think it was a preset & I could be wrong about that.

https://listen.tidal.com/album/134858516/credits

Snipes3000

I just did a quick search on Tomas Jonsson and he seems a specialist in saxophones. So you are probably right about that a synth wasn't even used for that part.

You could also argue that those instrumental parts that he applies now was something also done not too long ago by Avicii (good example: Avici EP 2017) and Calvin Harris (2012 and 2014 albums). Since the EDM era is past its peak and people can't stand it any longer, it's a gap in the charts that is perfectly filled in this way. And yes, the sound design is so pre 90's to me (ofcourse, combined with a modern twist) and to me personally it would be so welcome again. Will listen to that It's Alive song. Always interesting to listen to the early works of a master like Max Martin.
Hi, I'm Luke and I'm sitting on my throne! Oh, and have you noticed that Denniz PoP songs are extremely hooky?

melodicmoonlight

Quote from: McCartneyMartin on March 20, 2020, 05:38:30 PM
Exactly, We just don't get that in songs today, I mean it's such a treat, especially with singers/group that are trying to replicate that 80s style. Back then every song had an instrumental/solo of some sorts & it's nice to hear it again.

It also reminds me of Max's band, Its Alive, very first single from 1988 I have called "Time Waits For No One" (that's not even on Youtube at all). That song has that some of the same vibes (kind of also reminds me for a theme song for a late 80s tv soap opera) as I'm feeling in "In Your Eyes" with saxophone/horns all over it & if you can get a hold of it, it's worth a great listen!

Also I checked the Tidal credits for "In Your Eyes" & it credits one bloke named "Tomas Jonsson" who did the Tenor Sax on the track. So I don't think it was a preset & I could be wrong about that.

https://listen.tidal.com/album/134858516/credits

Yea, the sax definitely sounds live for sure.

Snipes3000

If I am not mistaken, I just came across a list with single releases and it said that the next single for the weeknd is to be released at 24 March. It is In Your Eyes. Nice nice to see how it's going to behave on billboard charts.

Oh, and I was checking on this website called kworb.net (really nice to access data) and Blinding Lights is like on top on so many lists. I really think that it will be number 1 on billboard by tuesday.
Hi, I'm Luke and I'm sitting on my throne! Oh, and have you noticed that Denniz PoP songs are extremely hooky?

nanofives

The video of In Your Eyes is out!

EDIT: Blinding Lights is now at N2, but it's N1 in almost every platform, we shall wait for the people to get tired of viralizing The Box.

*Sabine*

In Your Eyes is my second favorite track off the album after Blinding light. Save your tears is my third and the other 2 Max songs are the most solid tracks of the rest.

Save your tears sounds like a hit too but I think it sounds really similar to Post Malone's song Circle. Had anyone else noticed?