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Title: Cheiron In Common
Post by: Feelgoodlies on October 18, 2007, 05:56:49 PM
Ohh guys this is so interesting,as we know that most of Cheiron crew use pretty much the very same instruments and tunes,beats and stuff!,being a huge fan of theirs makes me concentrate a lot on the beats and the tricks they do in their music.

My favoureite I would call it"tune"because I don't know what is it called by them, is this one which has actually been used a lot by Max Martin/Rami and Kristian Lundin.Anyway you will understand more once u download this 30 Seconds clip I cut from the guys's work for B.S.B.,Britney,N Sync,Jessica Folker

There You Go!

http://www.zshare.net/download/4297385284b77b/

What is urs??!
Title: Re: Cheiron In Common
Post by: ahmed on October 18, 2007, 06:15:59 PM
cheiron producers used to have almost the same taste and probably the same tune as u called it,and i wonder if they all had the same taste in music by chance or they all learned it from a certain source.

they did a huge change in the pop music,and had a good style of music.

but my favorite songs from them are for Britney Spears and backstreet boys.
Title: Re: Cheiron In Common
Post by: Rebecca on October 18, 2007, 10:32:41 PM
Hey, that is awesome Feelgoodlies, i love listening to that!

Yeah, Ahmed, I wonder if they did all have the same taste in music? they must have
Title: Re: Cheiron In Common
Post by: ahmed on October 19, 2007, 04:08:04 PM
i wanna ask,what a person should do to be a music producer?
do i have to learn to play many musical instruments?or if i play one thats enough?,cuz cheiron producers used to have many musical instruments in their songs like piano,guitar..etc
can somebody tell me what steps should person take to be a music producer?
Title: Re: Cheiron In Common
Post by: Linda on October 19, 2007, 08:28:23 PM
I haven't got a clue
But I would also like to know....
Title: Re: Cheiron In Common
Post by: maxmartin'sfan on October 20, 2007, 02:00:05 AM
For the moment I'm Studying to  a school sound in Paris .. to be Music producer.. sound engineer and Songwriter!
Title: Re: Cheiron In Common
Post by: ahmed on October 20, 2007, 04:02:48 PM
i try to teach myself guitar using internet,its a very hard way to learn,and i don't know if it will be useful or not.
anybody knows a good sources for learning guitar on the net?
Title: Re: Cheiron In Common
Post by: turnaround on October 20, 2007, 05:40:54 PM
Oh I teached myself the guitar a few years ago and what I did was to lend books from the library to learn the basics, and then just learning by doing by playing songs I liked.

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com is a great source to get Songs with Chords :)

If you have any questions, feel free!
Title: Re: Cheiron In Common
Post by: Feelgoodlies on October 20, 2007, 06:24:18 PM
Quote from: Rebecca on October 18, 2007, 10:32:41 PM
Hey, that is awesome Feelgoodlies, i love listening to that!
Thanks rebecca
Title: Re: Cheiron In Common
Post by: ahmed on October 21, 2007, 03:07:52 AM
thank u so much turnaround :)
Title: Re: Cheiron In Common
Post by: ahmed on October 21, 2007, 03:21:32 AM
is the site only for metal and electronic guitars? or it has acoustic and spanish guitars too?
i'm looking for acoustic or spansh guitar lessons.
Title: Re: Cheiron In Common
Post by: ar10003 on October 24, 2007, 07:45:41 AM
This is hilarious - I was noticing EXACTLY that when listening to the early stuff. In musical terms its a crescendo. And guess what its in almost all of the new rock / pop work Max does but instead of a filtersweep on a synth, its a sample of guitar feedback reversed. You can here it in the pre chorus in:
Hazel Eyes - Kelly C
Since U Been gone - Kelly C
Everything Im not - Veronicas
Break You - Marion Raven

and a ton of others...

There's also another trick in some songs of a double chug just before the chorus, you can hear it best between the second verse and chorus of since you been gone.


Title: Re: Cheiron In Common
Post by: Feelgoodlies on October 26, 2007, 09:51:31 PM
Quote from: ar10003 on October 24, 2007, 07:45:41 AM
This is hilarious - I was noticing EXACTLY that when listening to the early stuff. In musical terms its a crescendo. And guess what its in almost all of the new rock / pop work Max does but instead of a filtersweep on a synth, its a sample of guitar feedback reversed. You can here it in the pre chorus in:
Hazel Eyes - Kelly C
Since U Been gone - Kelly C
Everything Im not - Veronicas
Break You - Marion Raven

and a ton of others...

There's also another trick in some songs of a double chug just before the chorus, you can hear it best between the second verse and chorus of since you been gone.

Oh yea dear ar10003 I know that I was going to post more,it looks like u and I concentrate a lot I LOVE THAT!
Title: Re: Cheiron In Common
Post by: malcolm hogg on October 28, 2007, 04:48:02 PM
.............In musical terms its a crescendo.............

He you are so right!!!!! I'd thought about saying the exact same thing quite a while ago, but wasn't sure if that was the right term. I always thought crescendo happened over a relatively short space of time, ie a couple of bars maximum.
But every piece of cheiron is just 3 to 4 minutes of total crescendo. Once a sound comes in no matter where or how far through the song it never leaves. Generally the only exception is during the choruses, there is always an additional pad or string sound that comes in during choruses but then leaves as it re enters the verse.
I think one of the briliant things is that each song always ends not just fades out. By the time the end comes, the music is soooooo layered and there is so much going on, and the way they take every sound but 2 or 3 back out and its back to virtually nothing, its just genius.


Crescendo...................... ar10003 good for you!!!!!!
Title: Re: Cheiron In Common
Post by: ahmed on October 28, 2007, 05:30:56 PM
there was also another good thing that max used his voice as a background vocals and on the chorus,for example..in almost all the songs max did for britney he added his voice on the chorus and sometimes on the verse too,

in ''oops i did it again'' song the conversation between britney and the guy it says ''britney before u go there is something i want u to have......well baby i went down and got it for ya''that voice is max martin voice,and he did the same thing in ''lucky'' when it say''best actress... and the winner is lucky'',that was amazing thing to hear his voice sopken on the songs.
Title: Re: Cheiron In Common
Post by: malcolm hogg on October 28, 2007, 07:59:07 PM
Ahmed, i agree with you that max uses his voice. But the vocal on Oops is actually Jim Carey not Max. You might be right about the Lucky thing though
Title: Re: Cheiron In Common
Post by: ahmed on October 28, 2007, 08:29:33 PM
oh....but i read in on one of britney books i don't remember its name though that oops voice was max martin voice and they even described it as''the rarely heard voice of producer max martin alongside britney''.

and did u mean jim carey the actor?!!
Title: Re: Cheiron In Common
Post by: andrea on October 28, 2007, 09:47:53 PM
ahmed is right.
from the ooops i did it again booklet: 'Dialogue: Max Martin and Britney Spears' ;)
Title: Re: Cheiron In Common
Post by: malcolm hogg on October 29, 2007, 12:40:46 AM
Yeah the actor. I cant remember where i read that, but perhaps i have to hold my hands up and stand corrected?!?!!?
Title: Re: Cheiron In Common
Post by: Linda on October 29, 2007, 08:21:13 PM
Quote from: ahmed on October 28, 2007, 05:30:56 PM
there was also another good thing that max used his voice as a background vocals and on the chorus,for example..in almost all the songs max did for britney he added his voice on the chorus and sometimes on the verse too,

in ''oops i did it again'' song the conversation between britney and the guy it says ''britney before u go there is something i want u to have......well baby i went down and got it for ya''that voice is max martin voice,and he did the same thing in ''lucky'' when it say''best actress... and the winner is lucky'',that was amazing thing to hear his voice sopken on the songs.

yea I love that :)
Title: Re: Cheiron In Common
Post by: ahmed on November 04, 2007, 04:29:24 PM
hey guys,we all love cheiron producers but i wanna ask...which collaboration u like the most?

max martin and rami

per magnusson and david kreuger 

kristian lundin and andreas carlsson

arnthur,rami and savan...etc

what is ur favourite collaboration?
Title: Re: Cheiron In Common
Post by: maxmartin'sfan on November 04, 2007, 04:56:29 PM
MAx Martin,Rami

Kristian Lundin, Andreas carlson
Title: Re: Cheiron In Common
Post by: ahmed on November 04, 2007, 09:54:44 PM
Quote from: ®a|ÑßØw÷¢H!LÐ on November 04, 2007, 09:42:33 PM
Quote from: ahmed on November 04, 2007, 04:29:24 PM
hey guys,we all love cheiron producers but i wanna ask...which collaboration u like the most?

[...]

arnthur,rami and savan...etc

What I don't quite understand is why many people here consider Arnthor & Savan as members of the CHEIRON crew...  ???

haha thats what i thought,but i just meant the others,and included arnthur and savan ,cuz of their recent work with rami,included them as a team
Title: Re: Cheiron In Common
Post by: Rebecca on November 05, 2007, 11:03:10 AM
Quote from: maxmartin'sfan on November 04, 2007, 04:56:29 PM
MAx Martin,Rami

Kristian Lundin, Andreas carlson

me too

also Max Martin and Kristian Lundin
then there's Denniz Pop and well I could go on and on...
Title: Re: Cheiron In Common
Post by: maxmartin'sfan on November 05, 2007, 12:50:26 PM
MAx MArtin Denniz Pop.. waoooooooooooo
Title: Re: Cheiron In Common
Post by: Linda on November 08, 2007, 06:27:47 PM
Max/Denniz

Max/rami

I love the rest but these would be my fave
Title: Re: Cheiron In Common
Post by: *Sabine* on January 18, 2008, 12:59:40 AM
you were talkign about max's voice in oops dialogue. well,i'm sure many of you own britney's oops i did it again album, and you must know there are little bits of talk between songs. it happens 3 times between song 3 and 4, 6 and 7 and 12 and 13.
well, brit is talking to a man between tracks 6 and 7, and he sounds like max! just check it! ;)
Title: Re: Cheiron In Common
Post by: B Steady on May 04, 2013, 10:43:50 PM
Quote from: Feelgoodlies on October 18, 2007, 05:56:49 PM
Ohh guys this is so interesting,as we know that most of Cheiron crew use pretty much the very same instruments and tunes,beats and stuff!,being a huge fan of theirs makes me concentrate a lot on the beats and the tricks they do in their music.

My favoureite I would call it"tune"because I don't know what is it called by them, is this one which has actually been used a lot by Max Martin/Rami and Kristian Lundin.Anyway you will understand more once u download this 30 Seconds clip I cut from the guys's work for B.S.B.,Britney,N Sync,Jessica Folker

There You Go!

http://www.zshare.net/download/4297385284b77b/

What is urs??!

this link doesn't work at my pc? can anyone please send me the file?
Title: Re: Cheiron In Common
Post by: Feelgoodlies on May 17, 2013, 12:57:12 AM
Something I did that's similar to this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k66zlHn38Bc
Title: Re: Cheiron In Common
Post by: B Steady on May 17, 2013, 01:39:19 AM
Quote from: Feelgoodlies on May 17, 2013, 12:57:12 AM
Something I did that's similar to this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k66zlHn38Bc

thank you! :) I even have already seen this video, well done!! I actually wanted to do this as well but now that you already made one it would be kinda senseless.

But I'm already working on a Cheiron Megamix :)
Title: Re: Cheiron In Common
Post by: Joshua on May 17, 2013, 09:38:42 AM
Great job Feelgoodlies, it's fun hearing all the elements cut together like that.
Title: Re: Cheiron In Common
Post by: nznexus on July 09, 2013, 04:34:22 AM
Quote from: ahmed on October 19, 2007, 04:08:04 PM
i wanna ask,what a person should do to be a music producer?
do i have to learn to play many musical instruments?or if i play one thats enough?,cuz cheiron producers used to have many musical instruments in their songs like piano,guitar..etc
can somebody tell me what steps should person take to be a music producer?

i guess... work harder then.. anyone else..