Where? Firstly I never said it was irrelevent (I'll say this again), but once more: This is a discussion on Max specific writing tecniques where we are trying to decipher the Melodic Math. You gave examples that didn't prove anything at all unfortunately. Things that are all to universal amongst writers. You're trying so desperately to find a small needle in a haystack with this thing. How do you not understand how incidental it is? Max has released what is it like 200 songs or something, if you were on to something it wouldn't be only two songs that "sorta" sounds like they are related. For the most part in your examples, ironic enough, it's not the intervals that stand out in any way, it's the similarities of some rhytmic content.
Edit: I was sitting here thinking, "Is this guy trolling me? He can't see the drop dead similarities?" but LOL, I had to modify this because I just saw the other thread where you started becoming disgruntled on this topic.. I didn't know you had dismissed these ideas because you were offended in another thread... Which I'll quote the response from the person (My examples are more effective at showcasing the targeted intervals, his are kind of weak but still there):
"Oops I did it Again" vs "Baby One More Time" . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQXhzycu9no
"California Girls" vs "Tik Tok" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2dPA2dCRNY
"Cool for the Summer" vs "Domino" - Is there really a debate here? The chorus' are exactly the same
Amazing, that guy actually created audio samples for you to listen to and you couldn't hear the interval similarities! But understand something, I am not dismissing Max Martin as using cookie cutter techniques. I am showing his techniques. But maybe you don't have a good ear for melody Sir. Some people cannot hear intervals that well, it's true. Maybe you're more of a rhythm and lyric person as you have shown an affinity for showcasing Max's techniques in that capacity, which is great.
Everyone has their strong suits in the studio, which is what makes for great music collaborating... But be careful of dismissing something so obvious and letting your ego get in the way of yielding to good technique. As Max says "you have to be willing to kill your darlings". And Dr. Luke says "When we are in the studio it is a democratic process, may the best idea win"
You said only 2 songs that sound kinda related? You are not correct. I don't know if you actually listened line-by-line to the examples, there are 39 instances
where the melody was actually directly copied across multiple songs. And that is just off the top of my head. By the way, his technique has evolved to where he is not copying long strings of melodic intervals as overtly as in those examples. But it definitely proves it is a conscious process that he utilizes.
To dismiss that as a non-technique is obvious you are covering up for your own insecurity that you didn't realize this as such a studied Max Martin junkie.
By the way you did ask me to provide the examples and happened to say Domino had no melodic line the same as California Gurls. I showed the direct melodic lines.. We are not just talking intervals here and there, we're talking 3 to 4 note exact copies.
People can just visit your profile and see that in your other threads you have debated almost everyone just for the sake of you trying to exert dominance. It is a pity you are not inclusive with ideas. If you open your mind, watch out, you might learn something.
Again, here are the examples I found with very little time or effort:Backstreet - Shape of my heart/Celine - That's the way it is
first line chorus "looking back"/first line chorus "when you want"
end chorus "shape of my heart"/end chorus "that's the way it is"BONUS
I WANT IT THAT WAY BRIDGE ("From the way that it used to be, yeah")/Celine "I know what you're going through, yeah"Avril - What the Hell/ P!nk - U + Ur Hand/Cosgrove - Oh Oh
Avril verse "making out with your friend/P!nk verse"know that it's going down"
Avril verse "messing with your head"/Cosgrove prechorus "why don't we make a move"/P!nk prechorus "put his hands on me"
P!nk chorus "You don't wanna mess with me tonight"/Cosgrove chorus "If you think I'll cry for you tonight"/Avril chorus "save me, baby, baby"BONUS
Katy HOT N COLD "someone call a doctor"/Avril What the Hell "If you love me, if you hate me"Katy - One that Got Away/Backstreet - I Just Want You to Know
first line verse "summer after highschool"/first line verse "looking at your picture"
first line chorus "in another life"/first line chorus "i just want you to know"
chorus "we keep all the promises"/chorus "some days we make it through"BONUS
Kelly first line of chorus "Since U been gone"/Backstreet first line of chorus "I just want you to know"Britney - U Drive Me Crazy/Backstreet - Larger than Life/Bon Jovi - It's My Life
The Britney melody only differs in that the scale was changed so that the 7th was not flattened (The songs came out within the same week. So probably being written around the same time, the skeleton of one was probably used for the other and he just raised the 7th in Lucky to not mimick the Larger than Life melody too much)
Backstreet verse "I'mma run and hide when you're screaming"/Bon Jovi prechorus "I ain't gonna be another face in"
Britney end of chorus "It feels so right"/Bon Jovi chorus "Heart is like an open highway"
Britney chorus thinking of you keeps me... "up all night"/Bon Jovi end chorus..."it's my life"
Britney prechorus "everytime you look at me"/Backstreet prechorus "all of our time's spent"/BONUS
Britney OOPS! I DID IT AGAIN prechorus "Cause to lose all my senses"Ke$ha - Blow/Britney - 3
"blow"/"180 degrees and I'm caught in between"Tao Cruz - Dynamite/Usher - Scream
"saying ay-oh"/"scream yea-ah"Katy - California Gurls/Jessie J - Domino
"You could travel the world"/"Every second is a highlight"
I'll leave the final two examples for someone else to have fun with. They are two of the easiest comparisons, you can use my method of quoting the intervals if you like!Backstreet - The Call/Britney - Overprotected/N Sync - It's Gonna Be Me
Katy - Hot n Cold/Kelly - My Life Would Suck