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Cheiron Sound.. need your help!

Started by maxmartin'sfan, February 18, 2007, 10:34:37 AM

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wiik

Whew...this is quite heavy analysis. I can but humbly add a few things:

-Songs written with emphasis on major dominant chords tend to either switch or move to the parallel (minor scale) dominant later in the song, like a harmonic surprise variation. This is very cheiron, and can be found in Show Me Love with Robyn (last time she sings "you're the one that i ever needed")

-While it is true that most chords steer clear from jazzy adds like 9th, 11th and 13ths, the key is to keep the chord simple triads and insert these adds intelligently into the melodies (only one at a time). "I Want It That Way" is a prime example of this where the very beautiful subdominant 9th is almost the foundation of the song. Just listen to the "tell me whyyyyyyyyyyyy" parts in the last choruses.

-Things are heavily repeated but cleverly disguised. This is also key to a pop song. Like re-using verse lyrics in the counter chorus, and using a calm version of the bridge or chorus as a stick part etc.

-Backing vocals are big on voice count and intelligently arranged. In verses/bridges the voice count is much less and they tend to stick to the melody (usually around a third below). In the choruses they are less clinged to the melody and more of a big choir, which is written so that the highest and the lowest notes are as close to one another as possible. Sustained chords are emphasized in the backing vocals, usually with the sustained note being the lowest.

-The 2nd verse break is a classic cheiron trick. Let the vocals do the talking for a bit and mute everything else, then let it back on a snare hit using some effect.

Thats a few exemples...analyzing these songs are not that hard but the backing vocals are very thick and heavy. Those kind of backing vocals are NOT easy to do...there are a lot of complications when writing that. Also recording and editing is a lot of work since they are so heavy on voice count. Unfortunately, cheiron-style backing vocals are almost unheard of today...for me it is definitely the icing on the cake that makes these songs so special.




sysoft

E-MU Vintage Keys (not plus) preset #137
This is a real Cheiron sound
is the main Pad Cheiron 90's
I do not want to download any links
My account was deleted because of this

Rebecca

sorry Sysoft, I did delete your account.
We have a lot of spammers join here and when you posted a link to something with the explanation 'here's my experiment' I assumed you were a spammer and just linking to some porn site.

If you want to post your link again, please do so. I won't delete you again now I know you're a real person. Thanks for joining up again.

sysoft

So OK  :)
I spent a lot of time studying the sound cheiron.
There are many rules.
I suggest one of their demos sound cheiron.
The demo contained some sounds cheiron.
http://depositfiles.com/files/2emhzhoal
http://www.sendspace.com/file/8pom6a


turnaround

Hey sysoft,
could you please re-up your files I would love to listen to the tracks.

And I liked it..

cheironlover

OK now about that "bang" and "baoww" synths from OIDIA which keyboard did that come from?

sysoft

So  bang is mix 2 sounds "power piano" - jv2080 and "QC - Drone" Akai S3000 preset.

sysoft

"baoww" is sound from sound module Emu Audity2000 preset N33
Pad is sound from sound module Emu Vintage Keys

cheironlover

Quote from: sysoft on January 13, 2012, 12:08:35 PM
"baoww" is sound from sound module Emu Audity2000 preset N33
Pad is sound from sound module Emu Vintage Keys

Well, it looks like someday, I'll need to get my hands on those!!

cheironlover

OK where do most of the bass samples come from the slap bass and the regular?

Tano87

I missed some stuff but I've found some interesting stuff :)
I need to find out if the mentioned hints gives the right result.

maxmartin'sfan

Wow I created this topic 7 years ago... WOW lool

Tano87

I can't believe that so dated sounds are not available around the net and people doesn't share...