Hey everyone!!! If you're looking for the actual sounds used in "Cheiron" productions on some virtual recording software with computer samples of sound patches, you're barking up the wrong tree! Keep in mind, this is in reference to all the songs produced at Cheiron before 2000... Back in the 90's they used "workstation keyboards", (real) analog synthesizers, and rack synths at Cheiron. That's where all their sounds came from. Not ANY type of "virtual" computer patches. I'm not saying they didn't use computers at all, they did use Pro-Tools, which they only used for recording and mixing. So if you want to make the "actual" Cheiron sound, you're going to need the actual sounds they used which are on these various now "vintage" keyboards, rack synths, etc. 8)
Means all nothing to me, but I am sure it's interesting
I just read that at Maratone
Do you use Addictive Drums from XLN Audio
YES
How can I get a hold of your sounds?
You can find a complete list of our studio equipment on the studio pages. We cannot specify any sounds/drum loops etc since we are using so many different ones.
We are not always using sounds from sampling cd's. We have recorded live musicians for a long time.
addictive drums is perfect..
I Use It in My Music :D
Quote from: "Tommy Nelson"I'm not talking about what equipment they are using now at Maratone, Only what they used at Cheiron! And those are NOT the drums that they used... At Cheiron, they used Korg "workstation" synths for their drums. That's where the drums that were used (at Cheiron) come from! Not a computer program. 8)
Did you visit CHEIRON back in the days?
^ Exactly. Some people seem to think to re-create the Cheiron sound, you just get any drum samples or any keyboard you want. It's not that easy, IF you want to create music with the same sounds they used. The sounds are so important, and to get them you must get the right equipment. Some people just don't realize.
Quote from: "Tommy Nelson"NO. Cheiron posted a complete list of ALL the equipment they had and used in the studio... I printed it out off the old Cheiron website many years ago and researched everything and found out what sounds came from where and so on. Also, I personaly own most of the equipment so I DO know what I'm talking about! The same equipment was used by many producers and artist back in the day, it's not exclusive to Cheiron. Denniz PoP used alot of famous synths and sound equipment he bought back in the 80's when he started at Swemix. He kept using the same equipment well in to the 90's at Cheiron and never really changed much of what he had to work with becuase it's what he started on and what he knew best. So all I'm trying to say by starting this thred is that if someone want's to make the "Cheiron sound" they are not going to get it by using just any generic computer sample or some new keyboard that's out there on the market today. It will take years and cost alot of money to get everything you need but it is worth it if you really want to make the same exact kind of music. If not, you can take the cheap and easy way out (that most people are doing) and try to download generic synth patches on your pc or get a "box" full of sounds to use with your midi keyboard. But it will never be the same as the real thing. :!:
Now, that's interesting. Could you give some samples you know are a bit cheiron:ish? You do own much of the equipment. Also could you post a list on the equipment they used a cheiron?
I see what you mean. But as you own some of the equippment you could sample one note from a cheiron:ish sound and post as a .wav file. That way other peaple could use those sounds aswell. Of course that would take some time... anyway just a thought. Btw, interesting to read your replays - you seem to know pretty much about production.
He's trying to tell you that you CAN'T get the exact same sounds using computer sample mp3s. He's saying to get those sounds you need to research the equipment used (as listed on The Location page as well as Maratone sites) and go about it that way if you want the exact same sounds from the actual equipment they used. Those sounds aren't found online as samples, you have to get them the old fashioned way, by actually purchasing the equipment and playing the keyboards yourself. Help yourself a bit & look at the equipment list on those sites. He obviously doesn't want to share everything about which equipment they used on the Cheiron stuff, so you'll have to look and figure it out yourself if you want to know so bad. (http://i7.tinypic.com/54987sp.gif)
Quote from: "princessofegypt"He's trying to tell you that you CAN'T get the exact same sounds using computer sample mp3s. He's saying to get those sounds you need to research the equipment used (as listed on The Location page as well as Maratone sites) and go about it that way if you want the exact same sounds from the actual equipment they used. Those sounds aren't found online as samples, you have to get them the old fashioned way, by actually purchasing the equipment and playing the keyboards yourself. Help yourself a bit & look at the equipment list on those sites. He obviously doesn't want to share everything about which equipment they used on the Cheiron stuff, so you'll have to look and figure it out yourself if you want to know so bad. (http://i7.tinypic.com/54987sp.gif)
Wowowow! Do I hear a malicious tone here? You don't see what I mean.
1. I never us mp3:s in my songs. They are to bad in quality.
2. What I meant was for him to sample he's own synths, for example a snare. Record it as a .wav sound and post it for download here. I've done that myself with a drummachine, nothing strange about that. Piece of cake!
That's really interesting, thanks for the reply. I guess I don't wan't it to sound exactly the same at least not on all my tunes. You gotta reinvent the genre so to speak if peaple should be able to buy it. It can't be forever the same.
I just quickly read through this thread :-) It's funny...
So cool how everyone analyses the old Cheiron sound and tries to replicate it! Even though you might be going in the wrong direction a bit...
It's not as complicated as you think...
Hi tbone and welcome to the forum
Yes I like reading everyone's analysis of Cheiron sound too. I imagine it's so much to do with the songwriting skill rather than the equipment used, of course I have zero musical skill.
It's such an interesting topic, and I wish I could talk more about it, but sadly I have no experience in studios and this technical stuff :(
Quote from: "Tommy Nelson"I'm not talking about what equipment they are using now at Maratone, Only what they used at Cheiron! And those are NOT the drums that they used... At Cheiron, they used Korg "workstation" synths for their drums. That's where the drums that were used (at Cheiron) come from! Not a computer program. 8)
Well, they mainly used Akai S series samplers (S-1000 and S-3000) for drums and loops, with samples coming from everywhere, sample CDs, other songs etc etc. Also various favourite snare sounds and other stuff coming from the E-Mu percussion rack thing.. And of course various hits and loops from the Roland JV-1080 module, especially using the Dance expansion (that was later recalled by Roland). Go thru the factory presets on that one and you'll hear some familar sounds.
They had a lot more Roland gear than KORG gear, so not sure where you got that info.
Quote from: "Tommy Nelson"Hello again. Yes, they did have Akai S series sampler's at Cheiron... HOWEVER, Akai S series samplers are not rack moduale's or synths that come with their own sounds. They are empty sampling workstations that allow you to compile all your favorite sounds form all of your "Other" various equipment (keyboards, rack synths (not computers) so you can have them all in one place if you wish. Also, they did NOT sample cd's (which is VERY unprofessional) nor did they have a Roland JV-1080... They had the JV-2080 model. And to add, they used more Korg sounds than anything at Cheiron.
Yes they had 990s, 1080s, and possibly 2080s too when that came out. And probably 5080s when that came out. I would say they used mostly Roland and EMU gear rather than KORG on the classic Cheiron sound. At least back in 96 when I was there ;) They had LOTS of gear there and were always looking for fresh new sounds.
And of course they sampled off CDs, both sample CDs and snippets off commercial releases. Everyone does/did that.
Quote from: "Tommy Nelson"Hey Westhaven. You say YOU were there at Cheiron in 96' :?: Did you work there or were you just a visitor?
I keep getting "No post mode specified"
Just visiting there. Frinds of friends etc. Met all of them (incl Dagge).
I can't post replies here, I get "No post mode specified". I have to remove most of the message to make it go thru.
Quote from: "Tommy Nelson":D Ok, If you say so. That's really cool, I would have loved to have had a chance to personaly visit Cheiron. And especialy would have loved to meet Denniz :cry:
Yes it truly was an amazing atmosphere down there :) And now the place is sold, Location have moved out.. It should be like a cultural landmark or something.
Welcome Westhaven, sorry you've been getting the no post specified, i have got that too occasionally, hope it doesn't continue.
That's exciting that you were able to go to Cheiron back in the day and meet the songwriters. Feel free to share any interesting stories! - though I understand you want to remain anonymous which is fine.
I don't know anything about music equipment but it's always interesting to read about.
Quote from: "Tommy Nelson":o Sold!!! Oh no!!! Why? That's terrible... I hoped Kristian and Andreas would take care of it and keep it going for years to come. :(
Well yeah.. They both live in LA now, so I guess that's partly the reason.
Quote from: "Westhaven"Quote from: "Tommy Nelson":D Ok, If you say so. That's really cool, I would have loved to have had a chance to personaly visit Cheiron. And especialy would have loved to meet Denniz :cry:
Yes it truly was an amazing atmosphere down there :) And now the place is sold, Location have moved out.. It should be like a cultural landmark or something.
Hey Westhaven, welcome to the forum!!
I am sorry you get this message, I have not yet found a solution for it, it happens with random words in posts, that cause this problem. :(
It would be nice if you could look next time it happens, what it does say i the addressline of your browser.
It should say something like
....?mode=reply&t=2441 or mode=editpost
If not, maybe you could enter please and try to make this page to load..
Thank you!!
I hope it works now, if there is a specific word that may cause it you could think of, maybe it was good to put just a space between it.
Concerning about the location, yes I was thinking that it doesn't exist anymore.
Just the publishing company.
Where do Andreas, Jake, Carl Falk etc work now?
All in their own studios and at collaborators'?
They should make a museum in that place!!
It's so exciting you met the guys, it would be lovely to hear some stories yes! :D :D
Quote from: "Westhaven"Just visiting there. Frinds of friends etc. Met all of them (incl Dagge).
wow.. you lucky thing.... :D
Quote from: "turnaround"Quote from: "Westhaven"Quote from: "Tommy Nelson":D Ok, If you say so. That's really cool, I would have loved to have had a chance to personaly visit Cheiron. And especialy would have loved to meet Denniz :cry:
Yes it truly was an amazing atmosphere down there :) And now the place is sold, Location have moved out.. It should be like a cultural landmark or something.
Hey Westhaven, welcome to the forum!!
I am sorry you get this message, I have not yet found a solution for it, it happens with random words in posts, that cause this problem. :(
It would be nice if you could look next time it happens, what it does say i the addressline of your browser.
It should say something like ....?mode=reply&t=2441 or mode=editpost
If not, maybe you could enter please and try to make this page to load..
Thank you!!
I hope it works now, if there is a specific word that may cause it you could think of, maybe it was good to put just a space between it.
Concerning about the location, yes I was thinking that it doesn't exist anymore.
Just the publishing company.
Where do Andreas, Jake, Carl Falk etc work now?
All in their own studios and at collaborators'?
They should make a museum in that place!!
It's so exciting you met the guys, it would be lovely to hear some stories yes! :D :D
Re: problem with posting: I'll try to figure out which word is causing it if it happens again!
This is the url while I type the reply:
http://songwriter.so.ohost.de/posting.php?mode=quote&p=2480
This is the url after clicking Submit, when the "no post mode" message appears:
http://songwriter.so.ohost.de/posting.php
Re: Location: Not sure how/where they work now.. I don't know any of the "new" people.. even Jake didn't work there when I was there. :)
I know Andreas & Kristian live in LA and work mostly there.
I know Kristian really loves flight simulators. And the whole Cheiron crew used to play a computer flying game in the evenings, on their studio macs over the net w o r k. And talk to eachother over the intercom at the same time, like "I got you Kristian! *tatatatatat*" flying around and shooting at eachother :)
Quote from: "Linda"Quote from: "Westhaven"Just visiting there. Frinds of friends etc. Met all of them (incl Dagge).
wow.. you lucky thing.... :D
I second that--how fantastic! :D
So great, we're all jelous :D
It's nice to have you on the board.
Andreas, Kristian and Max don't need to work anymore I am sure, but they do it for the fun and the ambition I guess.
With a nice house houses in the US it's pretty confortable to write a song now and then if you don't have pressure. :)
I got the "no post mode" error and edited my post above several times, adding more and more text every time. It seems the word network was the problem? If I wrote network I couldn't submit the post..
But now I can:
network network network! :
Quote from: "turnaround"So great, we're all jelous :D
It's nice to have you on the board.
Andreas, Kristian and Max don't need to work anymore I am sure, but they do it for the fun and the ambition I guess.
With a nice house houses in the US it's pretty confortable to write a song now and then if you don't have pressure. :)
Yes its their jobs, they probably don't know how to do anything else :)
I seems at least Martin & Andreas are still working hard, working on lots of different projects all the time.
Yes, good for us.
I guess they just can't do anything else, even if they did want to.
Melodies and ideas just come automatically.
And there is the hunger, no doubt.
I really hate this "no post specified" error, as I can't really do something, the board software works normal and the database is ok too, really annoying.
I hope it's not too bad, and doesn't happen too often :(
Westhaven, another question,
do you know another site like http://www.bmi.com or http://www.ascap.com where you can look for listed songs by songwriters?
Quote from: "Westhaven"
Re: Location: Not sure how/where they work now.. I don't know any of the "new" people.. even Jake didn't work there when I was there. :)
I know Andreas & Kristian live in LA and work mostly there.
I know Kristian really loves flight simulators. And the whole Cheiron crew used to play a computer flying game in the evenings, on their studio macs over the net w o r k. And talk to eachother over the intercom at the same time, like "I got you Kristian! *tatatatatat*" flying around and shooting at eachother :)
Another fun thing: Jeanette Söderholm worked in the reception at Cheiron. She was the one answering the phones. Any time they needed backing vocals she'd just run down the stairs and sing :)
Quote from: "turnaround"
Westhaven, another question,
do you know another site like http://www.bmi.com or http://www.ascap.com where you can look for listed songs by songwriters?
No sorry...
Quote from: "Westhaven"Quote from: "Westhaven"
Re: Location: Not sure how/where they work now.. I don't know any of the "new" people.. even Jake didn't work there when I was there. :)
I know Andreas & Kristian live in LA and work mostly there.
I know Kristian really loves flight simulators. And the whole Cheiron crew used to play a computer flying game in the evenings, on their studio macs over the net w o r k. And talk to eachother over the intercom at the same time, like "I got you Kristian! *tatatatatat*" flying around and shooting at eachother :)
Another fun thing: Jeanette Söderholm worked in the reception at Cheiron. She was the one answering the phones. Any time they needed backing vocals she'd just run down the stairs and sing :)
:lol: :lol: :D
What a fabulous anecdote!
If The Location was sold & dissolved, why is the site still up?
http://www.locationsongs.se/
Quote from: "princessofegypt"If The Location was sold & dissolved, why is the site still up?
http://www.locationsongs.se/
I don't think the company is dissolved, but they have moved out of the "location". ;)
the old site (the site for the Location Studios etc) was closed, and this site is only about the publishing company. Still the same address though.. I dunno, some companies are really slow when updating websites..
I'll see if I can find out more.
That's sad that it was sold. I thought they would stay there and continue working from that place. Oh well.
By the way, did you ever meet Nana Hedin, Jeanette Olsson or any of the other session singers who would come by Cheiron to record?
Quote from: "princessofegypt"That's sad that it was sold. I thought they would stay there and continue working from that place. Oh well.
By the way, did you ever meet Nana Hedin, Jeanette Olsson or any of the other session singers who would come by Cheiron to record?
Yes, I've met Jeanette Olsson and Jeanette Söderholm. Also Douglas Carr & Anders Bagge who worked at Cheiron in the beginning.
Quote from: "Westhaven"Quote from: "Westhaven"
Re: Location: Not sure how/where they work now.. I don't know any of the "new" people.. even Jake didn't work there when I was there. :)
I know Andreas & Kristian live in LA and work mostly there.
I know Kristian really loves flight simulators. And the whole Cheiron crew used to play a computer flying game in the evenings, on their studio macs over the net w o r k. And talk to eachother over the intercom at the same time, like "I got you Kristian! *tatatatatat*" flying around and shooting at eachother :)
Another fun thing: Jeanette Söderholm worked in the reception at Cheiron. She was the one answering the phones. Any time they needed backing vocals she'd just run down the stairs and sing :)
Haha... cool! :D
Oh Andreas Bagge is brilliant, I love his "Cover on my heart" by Guy Sebastian and many more songs by him.
And of course Jeanette Olsson is a favourite background singer!
Great you met all of them.
Did you also meet Esbjörn? The guitar player?
Quote from: "turnaround"Oh Andreas Bagge is brilliant, I love his "Cover on my heart" by Guy Sebastian and many more songs by him.
And of course Jeanette Olsson is a favourite background singer!
Great you met all of them.
Did you also meet Esbjörn? The guitar player?
Yes him too :) I had the chance to watch him play those typical acoustic guitar "ringa-racka" rhythms on a track. He was awesome, nailed it perfectly on the first take. I admit it's not very technically advanced to play these rhythms, but he really played those simple things so GOOD. And over the years his guitars became a trademark sound of the BSB etc.
Oh great.
I think there is a reason they booked him so many times and is on every track.
I guess he also loves the songs he plays on, it's flawless.
I guess it's nice to have the same team when recording, you just understand yourself without having to talk too much.
awesome thread! very educational... I really like their lifestyle back then. Playing games and making music everyday is like Heaven!
thanks for the insights!
I'm not reading through all of this, because I don't feel like it, but I have a list of the equipment they used for all 3 of their rooms including their editing room. They also used Emagic which took me by surprise because if you know anything about Emagic you will know it's now Logic Pro X, Apple bought them. I think that's quite fascinating so there is a possibility they used patches from ES1 and ESP because allot of the patches in there sound similar to some early 2000's and 1990's pop music that they and other producers not related to Martin and Denniz worked on. One thing that they used quite a bit was the Juno 106 and Roland JV2080 which makes sense for 1996-2000.
I also feel like allot of the Cherion Sound was heavily influenced from New Jack Swing. I got word that allot of the stuff that the guys at Cherion used were mostly pre-sets from other synths, like the EMU Orbit and such, which I doubt is believed to be true but you never know?
Yes, the list was already posted here a few months ago by Tano87 I believe. Cheiron used lots of romplers and JV-1080 was the one Max and Rami used the most during their collaborations. New Jack Swing really came up during the rise of sampling technology. Some Cheiron drum beats are in New Jack Swing style, which was the trend back then.
Hi guys! Thanks for your post in this forum. I have read almost every comments about the sound of the legendary Cheiron Studio. Thanks for sharing!:)
Here is something I produced with my Roland JV-2080 with effects and sounds from the Roland DANCE SR-JV80-06, and the famous Stringwheel from the original E-Mu Vintage Keys Plus with the new sound bank back in the time. I also use samples from the sample CD, Power FX - Downtown Beats.
Have a great time with the listening :) I will try to produce more like this beats :)
https://soundcloud.com/chriz-pop/2022-06-08-dennizpopmaxmartinstyle-v1-02
https://soundcloud.com/chriz-pop/2022-05-17-dennizpop-style-v1-were-back
https://soundcloud.com/chriz-pop/cheiron-style-groove-beat-in-95-bpm
https://soundcloud.com/chriz-pop/2022-05-17-dennizpop-style-v4-were-back-for-good/
ChriZ
For every link I get this: 'This track was not found. Maybe it has been removed'
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