I repeat my opinion about Kristian lundin....for me is a sufficient songwriter.
He is overestimate from many guys of this forum.
I don't like ring my bells,worst song of 2007 by ex-cheiron guys.
He made good song only when he co-wrote with max or andreas...
Sorry Guys,don't Hate me.
We'll never hat you Alex, everyone is allowed to say what he thinks and wants :)
"Ring my bells" is not a bad song, but I'm not the biggest fan of it.
But still he is absolutely talented and gifted. He wrote some of my all-time-favourite songs so I am a bit biased.
His biggest time is over I guess but he has earned enough and can make music relaxed and just what he wants.
Quote from: Alex Martin on December 28, 2007, 07:09:56 PM
I repeat my opinion about Kristian lundin....for me is a sufficient songwriter.
He is overestimate from many guys of this forum.
I don't like ring my bells,worst song of 2007 by ex-cheiron guys.
He made good song only when he co-wrote with max or andreas...
Sorry Guys,don't Hate me.
goodnight and goodbye what? I don´t hate you but what do you mean? kristian is the best producer after Max and that´s it, all the good jessica songs, born to make you happy, im alive, bye bye bye all the other nsync songs?????? the backstreet boys songs like not for me,everyone i don´t understand you.. ;)
I'm so thankful he co-wrote "How will I know (who you are)"
Kristian Lundin, Max Martin, Andreas Carlsson
is the best team on earth ever.
Yeah guys but kristian alone?????
With max he made a hit!!! With Andreas he made a hit....but without they???
Max alone made a hit.
You're right. It's a different thing and some writers always co-write.
Jörgen and Max are the only ones who also have written very big hits on their own.
But somehow collaborations seems to be the way the best songs are created.
Max Martin name one song he did by himself that are a big hit, you will say baby one more time, Rami? where Denniz involved? we don´t know, Name one song that Andreas did by himself? JÖRGEN name one song??
There is no one,,,There are always two writers/producers
i agree with Alex ,i don't like kristian Lundin new songs.
he did good songs in the past, but seems when cheiron producers became ex-cheiron producers and everyone went to a different direction ,everyone of them wants to do other musical styles and produce new styles by himself to be free from the style that used to collect them together.
Quote from: NIKLAS"NiCkY" on December 29, 2007, 03:54:23 PM
JÖRGEN name one song??
I see your point nicky!
Hit songs Jörgen wrote by himself are "Time of our lives" by Il Divo and "Sometimes" by Britney.
Or many Idol songs he wrote alone "Coming true" by Daniel Lindström, "Right here right now" for Agnes. :)
And I consider "Right Here Right Now" to be one of the best songs the last 6-7 years.
I agree with Tiger,RIGHT HERE RIGHT NOW is an amazing song.
Max alone wrote also AS LONG AS YOU LOVE ME and he had always many hits in the year after cheiron split for ex.Since U been gone,who knew and break you.
Carlsson had a usa number 1 hit with INVISIBLE by Clay Aiken.
Elofsson had too many world hit with IL DIVO,Gareth Gates(Anyone Of Us)Kelly Clarkson(A moment Like This)and many other.
I don't remember after the split of the cheiron team a World Hit written By Kristian Lundin.
Kristian is OVERESTIMATED.
Quote from: Alex Martin on December 29, 2007, 06:25:20 PM
I agree with Tiger,RIGHT HERE RIGHT NOW is an amazing song.
Max alone wrote also AS LONG AS YOU LOVE ME and he had always many hits in the year after cheiron split for ex.Since U been gone,who knew and break you.
Carlsson had a usa number 1 hit with INVISIBLE by Clay Aiken.
Elofsson had too many world hit with IL DIVO,Gareth Gates(Anyone Of Us)Kelly Clarkson(A moment Like This)and many other.
I don't remember after the split of the cheiron team a World Hit written By Kristian Lundin.
Kristian is OVERESTIMATED.
Invisible Co wrote Desmon Child and produce
Elofsson have David/per on il divo,gareth and hill on a moment like this
Max as long as you love me co produce by kristian why? since you been gone,break you, who knew co written/Produce by Dr Luke
So many hits they have by themselves...
Quote from: turnaround on December 29, 2007, 04:20:49 PM
Quote from: NIKLAS"NiCkY" on December 29, 2007, 03:54:23 PM
JÖRGEN name one song??
I see your point nicky!
Hit songs Jörgen wrote by himself are "Time of our lives" by Il Divo and "Sometimes" by Britney.
Or many Idol songs he wrote alone "Coming true" by Daniel Lindström, "Right here right now" for Agnes. :)
Love Jorgen for his Idol songs but thats not that hard to be a hit, Jorgen is a songwriter not a producer name one big hit that he produce?
He wrote and produced the Idol songs for Daniel and Agnes. :)
Yes Nicky but So many hits Kristian have by Himself after the split of cheiron team?
Quote from: turnaround on December 29, 2007, 08:40:13 PM
He wrote and produced the Idol songs for Daniel and Agnes. :)
Yes but are or where these songs big hits?????
but dont get me wrong i love them all and Kristian he has amazing songs under his arms together with max/andreas/savan
alex i agree there are only Max Martin that have this big hits, jorgen has when he wrote for a idol artist but that´s not that hard.
Yes,it's true nicky,is only max that made a lot of hits after the split of the team.
I loved kristian,for me he was at time a good songwriter but after the 2001 he become a sufficient songwriter :-\
I think where we agree all is that collaborations is the way to go.
"The greatest reward" by Celine, it's a incredible good song.
Jörgen, Andreas co-wrote it with other guys, Kristian produced it with Andreas.
Everyone contributes with what he can do best in each song!
I think even when they were together kirstien is the one who made the greatest tunes , listen to Bye bye bye , and that's the way it is , and one of the greatest collaborations is Can't make you love me by britney OH god I love this song
Quote from: Unexpected on December 29, 2007, 11:09:03 PM
I think even when they were together kirstien is the one who made the greatest tunes , listen to Bye bye bye , and that's the way it is , and one of the greatest collaborations is Can't make you love me by britney OH god I love this song
thankyou Unexpected you are on my side
''Can't make you love me'' by Britney is a great song, good energy in the music.
''Born to make you happy'' by Britney is a great song, good music,good melody
good production and good instrumentals,really one of the best instrumentals from Kristian Lundin.
My Kristian Lundin Top 7 (writing credits only):
1. How will I know
2. To be able to love
3. The greatest reward
4. Tonight
5. Amazing
6. Born to make you happy
7. That's the way it is
Timeless wonderful popsongs!!
I see your point too Alex, Kristian hasn't had a big hit for a while. I don't love Eyes on Me either, but it's nice to hear a new style. But to me he's still amazing. I love so many of his songs. It said on the old Cheiron site that Andreas was hired as a lyricist and after a while started writing music, so that would mean that Kristian would have written the tunes when he wrote with Andreas.
Though Kristian hasn't done much in the last few years, I think he started a family so maybe he's just been taking his time.
My Kristian Top 7 (without Max):
1. That Girl Will Never Be Mine
2. Just Don't Tell Me That
3. Tell Me Why
4. Amazing
5. Born to Make You Happy
6. Bye Bye Bye
7. Not For Me
I just love those songs. Maybe his best time has passed but he's definitely not overrated to me.
Oh god , I love all the songs that Turnaround and rebecca just has mentioned , kristien is great producer
Top 7 By Kristian at cheiron
1)Larger than life - BSB
2)Jessica - How will i know
3)Bye Bye Bye - NSYNC
4)I wanna love you - Solid Harmonie
5)Born to make you happy - Britney Spears
6)That's the way it is - Celine Dion
7)Everyone - BSB
TOP 7 BY KRISTIAN after Cheiron
1)That girl - NSYNC
2)I'm Alive - Celine Dion
3)Amazing - WESTLIFE
4)Just don't tell me that - NSYNC
5)? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
6)? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
7)? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
There's a difference? :'(
Yeah, there is a bit of a difference. People are most creative when they're young anyway, not that Kristian's old now! He could just be taking his time with things. Better to write only a few really fantastic songs than to churn out a whole heap of ordinary songs.
You're a good lawyer Rebecca ;D
OOOPSSS I forgot a song...... ;D
1)That girl - NSYNC
2)I'm Alive - Celine Dion
3)I can't break it to my heart - DELTA GOODREM
4)Amazing - WESTLIFE
5)Just don't tell me that - NSYNC
6)? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
7)? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
There's a difference?
Quote from: Alex Martin on December 30, 2007, 09:17:31 PM
You're a good lawyer Rebecca ;D
haha!
Definitely Kristian hasn't done that much recently.
Oh I missed this topice
NOOOOOOOOO...I really think that Kristian is a great producers at least he is maintaining Pop music.
I didn't like Ring The Bell or whatever...but I guess he had done amazing songs and still his music is great although he doesn't work as much as he used to.
I even think he is more talented than Max.
More talented than max? ? ?
You're drunk feelgoodlies. Good Year ;D
BTW , I think the same way too , when it comes to tunes and melodies , kristien tunes are so much catchy and poppier , and I really love him for keep doing a great pop music
and why no-body has mentioned Joanna zimmer - hearts don't lie personally I think it's one of the best works he has done after cheiron ,
''Drowning'' by BSB is a good one.
I really wish we knew exactly what each songwriter did in each song, say for the songs by Max and Kristian, who wrote the melody and who wrote the lyrics?
Unexpected, is Hearts Don't Lie by Joanna Zimmer written by Kristian? who did he co-write with? (sorry if you've already said in a previous topic). I must check it out.
Ahmed, yes, Drowning is an excellent song, but it's by Rami/Andreas Carlsson/Linda Thompson though produced by Kristian and Rami. I wonder how many songs Kristian has produced and not written?
Quote from: Rebecca on December 31, 2007, 11:40:41 PM
I really wish we knew exactly what each songwriter did in each song, say for the songs by Max and Kristian, who wrote the melody and who wrote the lyrics?
Unexpected, is Hearts Don't Lie by Joanna Zimmer written by Kristian? who did he co-write with? (sorry if you've already said in a previous topic). I must check it out.
Ahmed, yes, Drowning is an excellent song, but it's by Rami/Andreas Carlsson/Linda Thompson though produced by Kristian and Rami. I wonder how many songs Kristian has produced and not written?
Yes Rebecca,Kristian wrote the song with Andreas Carlsson and someone else,and did the music as well,I really LOVE this song so much,it is just so different to any of his previous tracks.
and Alex Martin...I am not drunk actually I don't drink,I know it sounds starnge for u,but face it,Kristian's tunes are catchier than Max's.
Compare:
Bye Bye Bye or It Is Gonna Be Me
Don't Want You Back(I really love this song)or Not For Me or Everyone
bear in mind that Max Martin writes more than composing.
as for my information,even the songs which had been produced by him and Kristian,were composed by Kristian, let's take for an instance
Show Me The Meaning
Can't Make You Love Me
To Be Able To Love
That's The Way It Is
I Want It That Way
ANYWAY....I love them both,and I Think they are great and VERY talented,but you know each one has his own favourite Cheiron producer
me(
Feelgoodlies) I love Max but I prefer Kristian.
Turaraound I guess he prefers Joergen Elofsson
Rebeeca likes Max I guess
Linda loves Max and Kristian
Unexpected likes Max and prefers Kristian
Nicklas(nicky) LOVES Kristian.
Ahmed LOVES Max
But we all are here FOR Cheiron...cuz we love them.
Quote from: Feelgoodlies on January 01, 2008, 01:17:27 PM
Quote from: Rebecca on December 31, 2007, 11:40:41 PM
I really wish we knew exactly what each songwriter did in each song, say for the songs by Max and Kristian, who wrote the melody and who wrote the lyrics?
Unexpected, is Hearts Don't Lie by Joanna Zimmer written by Kristian? who did he co-write with? (sorry if you've already said in a previous topic). I must check it out.
Ahmed, yes, Drowning is an excellent song, but it's by Rami/Andreas Carlsson/Linda Thompson though produced by Kristian and Rami. I wonder how many songs Kristian has produced and not written?
Yes Rebecca,Kristian wrote the song with Andreas Carlsson and someone else,and did the music as well,I really LOVE this song so much,it is just so different to any of his previous tracks.
and Alex Martin...I am not drunk actually I don't drink,I know it sounds starnge for u,but face it,Kristian's tunes are catchier than Max's.
Compare:
Bye Bye Bye or It Is Gonna Be Me
Don't Want You Back(I really love this song)or Not For Me or Everyone
bear in mind that Max Martin writes more than composing.
as for my information,even the songs which had been produced by him and Kristian,were composed by Kristian, let's take for an instance
Show Me The Meaning
Can't Make You Love Me
To Be Able To Love
That's The Way It Is
I Want It That Way
ANYWAY....I love them both,and I Think they are great and VERY talented,but you know each one has his own favourite Cheiron producer
me(Feelgoodlies) I love Max but I prefer Kristian.
Turaraound I guess he prefers Joergen Elofsson
Rebeeca likes Max I guess
Linda loves Max and Kristian
Unexpected likes Max and prefers Kristian
Nicklas(nicky) LOVES Kristian.
Ahmed LOVES Max
But we all are here FOR Cheiron...cuz we love them.
U have so right about everything and hearts don´t lie is amazing Kristian is my favorit pop producer of all time, Andreas and Kristian together that´s the team...
Kristian is OVERESTIMATED and without the help of the other swedish guys he is only a sufficient songwriter.
This are facts guys.
Tell me a hit by kristian dear feelgoodlies after 2001?
Maybe RING MY BELLS? ah ah ah
Hearts don't lie? slepless song.
For feelgoodlies----It's gonna be me was number 1 on billboard hot 100
Bye bye bye was only number 4!!!
And It's gonna be me(written by max) was the only number 1 nsync single's on USA CHARTS although was the second single out after bye bye bye.
Compare I GOT YOU or SIBERIA with any other songs written by Kristian... NO COMPETITION!!!!
Max is another level and his decennal success prove it.
Where is Kristian lundin?
Quote from: Alex Martin on January 01, 2008, 02:13:46 PM
For feelgoodlies----It's gonna be me was number 1 on billboard hot 100
Bye bye bye was only number 4!!!
And It's gonna be me(written by max) was the only number 1 nsync single's on USA CHARTS although was the second single out after bye bye bye.
Compare I GOT YOU or SIBERIA with any other songs written by Kristian... NO COMPETITION!!!!
Max is another level and his decennal success prove it.
Where is Kristian lundin?
Alex....but in the UK Bye Bye Bye went to #3 while It's gonna be me went to 9..anyways it is not about Charts...it is about the qulaity of the song.at the end of the day both are CHEIRON creativity.
for me I prefer Bye Bye Bye to It's Gonna Be Me,because I simply love the uptempo kinda fast beats,but still I like It's Gonna Be Me too
I hate Sieberia and I Got You,they are the weakest Max songs ever besides Don't Cry For Pain by Ana Johnnson.
for me Max did a great job in the world of Pop/rock to U+UR HAND(Pink's),DO IT ALL(Stanfour's),4ever(Veronicas's),I'm better(Ashley Angel's),Tap That(Megan's).I REALLY LOVE THOSE SONGS.
Kristian didn't work alot after 2001,and hasn't had a hit ever since.But please stop comparing them each one of them has his own creative hands,and I love both,the thing is that I find Kristian is Pop-ier than Max and tha's it.
.....ok,and i don't think so....max is better than Kris.
Peace and love Feelgoodlies by the way we love all the swedish guys.
Happy new year :D
For us people just seeing the credits it's too hard to judge the writers.
If there are 3 names in the credits for a song it's possible one writer just changed a bit while producing whereas the other one had the whole idea and the 3rd one just added some lyrics.
The quantity and quality of work seperated between them is a secret of them, and so all we can do is speculate.
But you can't say Kristian is a sufficient songwriter. Maybe compared to Max it's your impression, but Kristian is a talent you don't find often in the world.
He tops millions of songwriters!
Yes, happy new year!!
Why I can't say Kristian is a sufficient songwriter?
I think so Turnaround.
I think the same thing about Jake and Herbie Chrichlow,for me they are not good songwriter if I see what they did after the cheiron split.
I watch the results and the work after 2000 and i think Max,Jorgen,Andreas are really good songwriter and they did beautiful songs(Max and Jorgen particular)
A question....why the majority big artist go to max and work with him and don't go to Kris or jake or Herbie?
I'm ready to change my opinion about this guys but NOW I think this.
For me "sufficient" is just not an adequate word for such a great songwriter, as we in Germany have almost NO talent and so in comparison with Kristian they are worlds between them.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=kOuLHK0yOPw
Enjoy :)
Hey,I LOVE SONIC ;)
But Dieter Bohlan is not a German Songwriter?
Quote from: Alex Martin on January 01, 2008, 05:05:09 PM
Hey,I LOVE SONIC ;)
But Dieter Bohlan is not a German Songwriter?
Ohh thns Alx happy new year....Oh if u r talking about Dieter Bohlen of the DSDS Jury..the yes he is German and used to be in the German Techno/Dance famous group "Modern Talking".
Quote from: Alex Martin on January 01, 2008, 02:04:55 PM
Kristian is OVERESTIMATED and without the help of the other swedish guys he is only a sufficient songwriter.
This are facts guys.
Tell me a hit by kristian dear feelgoodlies after 2001?
Maybe RING MY BELLS? ah ah ah
Hearts don't lie? slepless song.
no no no , I think Hearts don't lie is one of the greatest song kristien did , Great lyrics , great tunes , joanna has an amazing voice The song is PERFECT
Hearts don't lie is not one of my fav. joanna's songs. I prefer BRINGIN' DOWN THE MOON,HAVE A THING TONIGHT(mucho latino sound),IF IT'S TOO LATE.....but on top BRING IT ON and HISTORY.
Oh I love Have A Thing Tonight as well...I Believe, What You Give Is What You Get and I've Learned To Walk Alone,
actually she is a very decent singer.
Quote from: Alex Martin on January 01, 2008, 08:15:59 PM
Hearts don't lie is not one of my fav. joanna's songs. I prefer BRINGIN' DOWN THE MOON,HAVE A THING TONIGHT(mucho latino sound),IF IT'S TOO LATE.....but on top BRING IT ON and HISTORY.
Bring it on is Fab , also If it's too late and and Have a thing yonight is amazing , but I have to say Hearts don't lie is perfect , and my personal fave song from her is I've learned to walk alone
Hearts Don't Lie is a nice song, I just listened to it, very celine-ish.
True Kristian hasn't had any hits the last few years, it seems he's been pretty quiet.
I prefer Max, though Kristian would be my second favourite. I think he's definitely more than a sufficient songwriter. but it is okay that you think so Alex. This is an interesting discussion.
Though It's Gonna Be Me made No.1 in USA I think Bye Bye Bye would be the song that people remember NSync for.
Quote from: Rebecca on January 02, 2008, 11:33:56 AM
Hearts Don't Lie is a nice song, I just listened to it, very celine-ish.
True Kristian hasn't had any hits the last few years, it seems he's been pretty quiet.
I prefer Max, though Kristian would be my second favourite. I think he's definitely more than a sufficient songwriter. but it is okay that you think so Alex. This is an interesting discussion.
Though It's Gonna Be Me made No.1 in USA I think Bye Bye Bye would be the song that people remember NSync for.
So True
Probably for the title....BYE BYE BYE is more easy to remember in the mind.....
You sing bye bye bye......really easy to remember.
Sufficient songwriter.....sufficient song TITLE :D
Don't Hate Me ah ah ah ;D
he wrote born to make you happy, which is one of brit's top 3 songs for me!
Amadin > Max Martin's existence.
Amadin? What's Amadin? A walt Disney cartoon? Opss sorry the cartoon is ALADIN not Amadin ;D ;D ;D ;D
Overestimated? Sorry Alex bye bye bye
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyEim8AgIKE for all that you want
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tHguCuk1BE i do
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXaDtswk-EM to able to love
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Pw4Nn99vlU im alive
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nprSiZBcRpI the greatest reward
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JoJqID-wJY byebyebye
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lox4Wfxhf1k just dont tell me that
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwiyhO5XF60&feature=related that girl would neve be mine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpiD4zVJE7A born to make you happy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLCen_7o86M&feature=related everyone
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vh2NRFsQSQ nor for me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lg_gidVCVcE still here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJLD1nhsVu0 disconected
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxOztoAOvms the one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6WMoAy2dfg ring my bells
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFjRrqlA_M0 i cant break it to my heart
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3wbz7yND4E&feature=related coulda woulda shoulda
and one of the best songs ever is DROWNING
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEHg-3o35DI
WOW.......all a worldwide hits ;D ;D ;D
OVERESTIMATED!!!!
You are a tough critic Alex!
That Girl Will Never Be Mine, Just Don't Tell Me That and Born To Make You Happy are fantastic to me, as good as Max's best.
Quote from: Rebecca on May 26, 2008, 12:49:15 PM
You are a tough critic Alex!
That Girl Will Never Be Mine, Just Don't Tell Me That and Born To Make You Happy are fantastic to me, as good as Max's best.
OMG I looooooooooooooooooooooove those songs and the ones Nicky posted up there WOW!!.
Just wanna say something Kristian really rocks!!
I think kristian lundin is the third best pop songwriter ever after max martin and rami
Quote from: Rebecca on May 26, 2008, 12:49:15 PM
You are a tough critic Alex!
That Girl Will Never Be Mine, Just Don't Tell Me That and Born To Make You Happy are fantastic to me, as good as Max's best.
Ah ah ah :D i agtree with you reb. That girl for ex. is my favourite nsync song togheter with I WANT YOU BACK.
Kristian wrote a good song but for me is not this great phenomenon.
Max,Jorgen and savan kotecha are better than mr.Lundin......
Quote from: Raul_esp on May 26, 2008, 04:47:01 PM
I think kristian lundin is the third best pop songwriter ever after max martin and rami
Do you consider Rami as a separate producer?...I dont actually!!
Kristian is better than him,at least he can produce on his own,and had done very great songs.
maybe rami is not known as a separate producer,but he really has a good sense in music, all or (most) of the songs he worked on are good.
maybe he doesn't make it as an independent producer because he doesn't have the communications and relations that team him up (alone) with the artists.
^ well maybe , but I really neever considred him as an independent producer , Lundin is far better in production , (I like him more than Max)
Finally a GOOD KRISTIAN LUNDIN'S SONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=bwV35v5UxcA&feature=related
Yes guys this is a real christmas miracle!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
OMG Alex are you alright?? Alex, can you hear me?? I can't believe it!! :D
Too many drugs and vodka today probably....... :D
Quote from: Alex Martin on November 28, 2008, 04:18:39 PM
Finally a GOOD KRISTIAN LUNDIN'S SONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=bwV35v5UxcA&feature=related
Yes guys this is a real christmas miracle!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I love absoulety this song .
a christmas miracle will do you like kristian lol
Yes a miracle!!
This song is great! Nico you gotta see this thread, I remember you loved the snippet we had till death... ;)
Great song!
Max, Lundin, Rami...
guys I want to say something and please be straight with yourselves with your replies ,
When we first all loved Britney ,BSB, N'Sync or Westlife ..etc , we loved them for particular reason , THE cheiron Sound wich was Pop sound , the only producer that still creates songs with the old pop sound is Mr lundin , also Jorgen did great job on maries album ,
2nd, I love Max myself , but something has changed about him , he used to write about love ,heartbreak ..etc in great ways , NOW he still does that but songs like I kissed a girl , U+Ur hand , Tap that , If You seek amy ...etc , doesn't make him great songwriter for me ,
3rd : We all got excited when we heared Max is working with britney again after 7 years and all we got is (FUCK me) :-\ !! where is the pop beats , where is the great lyrics , I mean dr luke did better songs that brought britney to top for me and for every old britney fan , britney wanted pop sound for this album which I can tell by the general sound of this album , but Max wasn't responsible for it this time it was dr luke , which I really didn't see him as a great producer but he proved me wrong , and max let me down .
so why people bashing Kritian lundin ??? because he's continued to give us POP tunes??!!
I remember there was a survivor for Celine dion TC album in another forum and Eyes On won that , and I also had a survivor for Baby one more time album and Born to make you happy won that ,
I guess we all have to agree that he's the only one that keeps us attached to the great days of Pop music ;)
Kristian Lundin is awesome, I agree, he gives the songs a special touch that is not explainable. However, I don't agree when you say he keeps making the same Cheiron sound. Unfortunately, for me, this sound totally disappeared nowadays, only some hints are remaining.
As for Max, of course I prefered the cheesy songs with the super bubblegum sound (and I don't think to ever enjoy songs more that this classic 1999 and 2000 Cheiron sound) but actually I still like his songs to hell. To be honest, for me music matters like 90% and lyrics only 10%. And if making more nasty lyrics can make his songs more famous, then I'm fine with that. I prefer success with rude lyrics than no sales with cheesiness (not apreciated in 2008 anymore, unfortunately).
I'm a fan of Kristian and I always considered him to be one of the main songwriters at Cheiron and I loved so many songs of his at Cheiron, with or without Max, but he really hasn't done that many songs I like since Cheiron.
Since Cheiron, I absolutely love Westlife's "Amazing" but he wrote that with so many different songwriters.
Also love Nsync's "Just Don't Tell Me That" and "That Girl Will Never Be Mine" as they were still the Cheiron sound.
But apart from that, I can't think what else I love from him since the Cheiron days.
I don't agree that he's overestimated, I think he is hugely talented but possibly not as ambitious as Max? so doesn't write as many songs.
I don't mind about the 'nasty' lyrics Max now writes, in fact I like them - they're catchy lyrics but melody is the main thing for me.
I think everybody here knows my opinion about Kristian, he is a great producer, I compare him to Max, it's just he hasn't got the chance to re-launch himself again as Max did with Dr.Luke, I'm sure if gets the chance, his music will be heard, I for one never thought Max Martn will be back after 2002, he totally vanished or at least he wrote songs for unknown acts acts, but he got lucky once he worked with Kelly Clarkson, and since then he's back on top, I wish the same thing for Kristian, I never heard a different sound from him, all he usually does is POP, so I really cannot wait for new stuff, probably AJ's album, and I really get mad when some, not necessarily on this forum, prefer Rami to him, it's not that I hate Rami, but it's really obvious that Kristian's talent is better.
Abou Max on Britney and recent stuff, I do love what he did recently, in fact what he did is so infectious, there is something very addictive about the tunes he does, he is great, but on Britney's Circus it wasn't the POP song I was expecting from him, actually If U Seek Amy if you analyse it, you will find out that it has that Rock-ellemnts more than POP-ellemnts, I don't know but I can't say that the record company did tell him not to be "bubble gummy" again when "Circus" and "Shattered Glass" are so early Britney-era, so I think deep down Max doesn't want POP when his recent HITS are mostly POP/ROCK, that's the answer, he might be afarid of doing POP and the song flops or described as a filler. Btw I read a review somewhere about Circus, it was described as Max Martin inspired song that Dr.Luke ripped.
i never thought i would prefer Rami the way i do now, but actually i realized his importance and value after Max started to work with Dr.Luke, i feel like Max sacrificed good things in his song construction , maybe that's why he is the only producer from the old cheiron team who still work and write songs for big names, while we don't see the others or rarely see them working with unknown singers.
about Rami and Kristian lundin, Rami succeeded in inspiring a new style for himself even away from Max, Rami still writing great lyrics and his melodys and production are amazing, while Kristian is not doing anything anymore it is like he gave all he had in his music and has nothing more to do, yes he did great pop music but it seems he trapped him self in the pop cage, that makes Rami is kinda better he found a way to keep the high quality in music and lyrics but with a modernized way.
about ''if u seek amy'' .....Max Martin's name always stick with Britney as a young teenager and bubble gum pop music , when you mention Max Martin and Britney the first thing come to your mind is ''Baby one more time'' and''Oops i did it again'' , that was the thought in every Britney fan's mind and Britney's record label's mind, that's why we don't find max on''in the zone'' and ''blackout'' , but when Max got the chance to work with Britney again on ''Circus'' he tried to change the thought the people knew about his work with Britney, so he did ''if u seek amy'' in that musical way, if he did a song like his old songs with her people will be like... nothing new, the same old teen style from Max, and think about the title it is obvious that Max tried to change the thought about his work with Britney lyrically too.
Quote from: Feelgoodlies on December 06, 2008, 03:07:53 PM
I think everybody here knows my opinion about Kristian, he is a great producer, I compare him to Max, it's just he hasn't got the chance to re-launch himself again as Max did with Dr.Luke, I'm sure if gets the chance, his music will be heard, I for one never thought Max Martn will be back after 2002, he totally vanished or at least he wrote songs for unknown acts acts, but he got lucky once he worked with Kelly Clarkson, and since then he's back on top, I wish the same thing for Kristian, I never heard a different sound from him, all he usually does is POP, so I really cannot wait for new stuff, probably AJ's album, and I really get mad when some, not necessarily on this forum, prefer Rami to him, it's not that I hate Rami, but it's really obvious that Kristian's talent is better.
Abou Max on Britney and recent stuff, I do love what he did recently, in fact what he did is so infectious, there is something very addictive about the tunes he does, he is great, but on Britney's Circus it wasn't the POP song I was expecting from him, actually If U Seek Amy if you analyse it, you will find out that it has that Rock-ellemnts more than POP-ellemnts, I don't know but I can't say that the record company did tell him not to be "bubble gummy" again when "Circus" and "Shattered Glass" are so early Britney-era, so I think deep down Max doesn't want POP when his recent HITS are mostly POP/ROCK, that's the answer, he might be afarid of doing POP and the song flops or described as a filler. Btw I read a review somewhere about Circus, it was described as Max Martin inspired song that Dr.Luke ripped.
From 2002 to 2004 max was on tour with his band distant to the spotlight and he tooks a pause from the production business after a long period of stress. Same for rami. Rami told me this on myspace.
Quote from: ahmed on December 06, 2008, 04:45:06 PM
i never thought i would prefer Rami the way i do now, but actually i realized his importance and value after Max started to work with Dr.Luke, i feel like Max sacrificed good things in his song construction , maybe that's why he is the only producer from the old cheiron team who still work and write songs for big names, while we don't see the others or rarely see them working with unknown singers.
That's why I said, Max has had the chance to re-launch himself again with big names such as Kelly Clarkson, although he used the same music with unknown artists before her such as "Marion Raven" but the songs didn't quite make it, so his success was a great luck, and I'm happy and proud of him, I just wish the same for Kristian, if he gets the right artist his songs will be as big or at least loved by so many, everybody said if "Eyes On Me" had been chosen as the comeback single for Celine it would've done amazingly great on the charts, but what can I say, stupid label decisions.
What tour Alex? What band?
Rami answered you for real on myspace?
I agree Feelgoodlies! Eyes of Me was a wasted song, it NEEDED to be a single, it was just fantastic!
I don't know which tour or the name of the band,sorry sabine. The only info i have is this,from 2002 to 2004 he was in tour,probably in sweden.
Interesting, I guess this is were these pics in which he was singing are from.
(http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=573633&id=726972524&op=2&view=all&subj=9184431717&aid=-1&oid=9184431717)
(http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=573617&id=726972524&op=3&view=all&subj=9184431717&aid=-1&oid=9184431717)
(http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=592576&id=726972524&op=1&view=all&subj=9184431717&aid=-1&oid=9184431717)
(http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=502249&id=650928367&op=3&view=all&subj=9184431717&aid=-1&oid=9184431717)
Where are the pics?
Quote from: Feelgoodlies on December 06, 2008, 08:13:23 PM
Quote from: ahmed on December 06, 2008, 04:45:06 PM
i never thought i would prefer Rami the way i do now, but actually i realized his importance and value after Max started to work with Dr.Luke, i feel like Max sacrificed good things in his song construction , maybe that's why he is the only producer from the old cheiron team who still work and write songs for big names, while we don't see the others or rarely see them working with unknown singers.
That's why I said, Max has had the chance to re-launch himself again with big names such as Kelly Clarkson, although he used the same music with unknown artists before her such as "Marion Raven" but the songs didn't quite make it, so his success was a great luck, and I'm happy and proud of him, I just wish the same for Kristian, if he gets the right artist his songs will be as big or at least loved by so many, everybody said if "Eyes On Me" had been chosen as the comeback single for Celine it would've done amazingly great on the charts, but what can I say, stupid label decisions.
Did you mean Marion Raven is a waste of Max's songs? I kinda agree but here in my country and around Asia her album was a huge success,especially since the success of M2M,she was very well known and her album was very much anticipated,it's very rare here for a foreign artist to reach the number 1 spot but she made it...it was the label's fault not to release it internationally..
Well, I am sorry but what counts the most is the American and European markets in sales, that's what we see eveyday, btw "Break Ya" was released in the UK but flopped badly, I think it's also been released in Germany, I'm not sure..., but wasn't able to make it, do you think if Since U Been Gone had been sung by an unknown artist it would've done the same??, I don't think, Kelly and her label knew what to do with the song, the song has launched Kelly Clarkson career in Europe.
Yeah, Break You flopped badly in european and US markets, I think because she was signed to an independent label by the time Set Me Free was released...some songs from Here I Am were included in Set Me Free,her exclusive European & US debut album with only 3 new songs..She got dropped from her old label after the success of Here I Am in Asia and got signed to an independent label to release her album in US and europe with no promotion...but now she's no longer with the label and recently she just got signed to a major label ( I forgot which one ) and they're planning to release her next record internationally...she's currently writing and recording some songs right now,I hope she works with Max again.. ;D
Quote from: Alex Martin on December 07, 2008, 01:54:32 PM
Where are the pics?
I'm sorry, you have to be logged to Facebook for it to work, they're in the group "Max Martin Appreciation Society". Anyways I already posted those pics in the topic "Max Martin Pics": http://www.discopumper.de/smf/index.php?topic=53.0
(http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/0011/28/NYHETER-28s10martin_368.jpg)
Quote from: Feelgoodlies on December 07, 2008, 02:38:01 PM
Well, I am sorry but what counts the most is the American and European markets in sales, that's what we see eveyday, btw "Break Ya" was released in the UK but flopped badly, I think it's also been released in Germany, I'm not sure..., but wasn't able to make it, do you think if Since U Been Gone had been sung by an unknown artist it would've done the same??, I don't think, Kelly and her label knew what to do with the song, the song has launched Kelly Clarkson career in Europe.
Kelly clarkson in europe wasn't unknow before since u been gone.
Quote from: Alex Martin on December 07, 2008, 08:14:17 PM
Quote from: Feelgoodlies on December 07, 2008, 02:38:01 PM
Well, I am sorry but what counts the most is the American and European markets in sales, that's what we see eveyday, btw "Break Ya" was released in the UK but flopped badly, I think it's also been released in Germany, I'm not sure..., but wasn't able to make it, do you think if Since U Been Gone had been sung by an unknown artist it would've done the same??, I don't think, Kelly and her label knew what to do with the song, the song has launched Kelly Clarkson career in Europe.
Kelly clarkson in europe wasn't unknow before since u been gone.
Maybe she wasn't unknown BUT barely known , Thankful wasn't a hit , I only remember Miss independent got plays on Uk TVs , and made it to #7 and dropped fast , if she was already known they would've released the 1st single (breakaway) worldwide but they didn't but they released the 2nd US single as the 1st international single which was Since you been gone , and waited to released Breakaway (the song) as the 5th international single ,
and BTW the song breakaway was a a good hit in the US , ;)
You're right unexpected,was since u been gone the single did became kelly famous in the world.