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Title: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (not produced by Max Martin)
Post by: turnaround on April 08, 2013, 11:58:26 PM
New single:

Avril Lavigne - Here's To Never Growing Up

(http://cdn.idolator.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/07/avril-lavigne-heres-to-never-growing-up-preview-600x337.jpg)

http://www.qobuz.com/album/heres-to-never-growing-up-avril-lavigne/0886443940222



No Max - so what do you think??
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: georg_e on April 09, 2013, 01:42:46 AM

    Thank you, Turnaround......well, since you asked, I have to say I think that is a really great song :-D    I listened to it completely open minded -- no idea who wrote it, who produced it, and I still don't, and don't even wanna know -- but I played it twice through and liked it even better on the second time......something about it has real emotion to it, and it's a great sound!!!
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: Joshua on April 09, 2013, 10:59:37 AM
I really loved her last album, but working with Max was probably just a one off for her. Still, if someone told me Luke produced this new track I'd believe it, I wonder who it is. I quite like it, it's typical Avril, and like georg_e, I think it gets better with every listen... a bit of a grower. It's probably a smart move not bringing out another Girlfriend/What The Hell for the lead single again.
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: turnaround on April 09, 2013, 12:05:16 PM
Some people say it's very Taylor Swift/Max :D
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: Rebecca on April 09, 2013, 01:01:34 PM
I like this song too, I agree, it's definitely a grower. I hope it does well.
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: RuHa on April 09, 2013, 01:43:54 PM
http://renownedforsound.com/index.php/avril-lavigne-returns-with-new-single-heres-to-never-growing-up-uk/

J. Kash is involved so that's where the Luke sound comes from..  :)

HERE'S TO NEVER GROWING UP -  Work ID: 885215681
Writers
HINDLIN JACOB KASHER   
HODGES DAVID   
JOHNSON MARTIN
KROEGER CHAD   
LAVIGNE AVRIL
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: georg_e on April 09, 2013, 03:08:18 PM
http://renownedforsound.com/index.php/avril-lavigne-returns-with-new-single-heres-to-never-growing-up-uk/

J. Kash is involved so that's where the Luke sound comes from..  :)

HERE'S TO NEVER GROWING UP -  Work ID: 885215681
Writers
HINDLIN JACOB KASHER   
HODGES DAVID   
JOHNSON MARTIN
KROEGER CHAD   
LAVIGNE AVRIL

     He's goin' in, too...... from his Twitter today......now I like this song even more! :-D

         H ‏@jacobkasher 17h
I think WE as songwriters and producers should start calling out all the dumb fucks in the "music biz" that don't know SHIT about music

Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: turnaround on April 09, 2013, 04:40:09 PM
The songs written by Max and Shellback with Avril for her album "Goodbye Lullaby" weren't bad in my opinion. But not really "hits". I can't even hum the melodies.
In comparison to "My life would suck without you" or the P!nk songs they couldn't convince me.
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: Raul_esp on April 10, 2013, 12:41:52 AM
It's a great song!
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: Joshua on April 10, 2013, 05:31:26 AM
Some people say it's very Taylor Swift/Max :D

It's those hip hop drum samples mixed with acoustic guitar!
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: turnaround on April 10, 2013, 10:28:32 AM
Hehe, the funny thing is, that I guess many people thought that Taylor sounded like Avril when she released her Max singles. Now it's the other way round.

Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: Axel on April 11, 2013, 01:31:01 PM
Heh, that is true. I was one of those who said that the Tylor song sounded like Avril. Still have to check out Avril's new track though.
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: Joshua on April 11, 2013, 02:57:35 PM
The songs written by Max and Shellback with Avril for her album "Goodbye Lullaby" weren't bad in my opinion. But not really "hits". I can't even hum the melodies.
In comparison to "My life would suck without you" or the P!nk songs they couldn't convince me.

I think I appreciated them even more for not trying to be anything else. They ended up far more pop than I expected for an Avril album, but I really think Max and Shellback got it right. Smile was my second favourite song of 2011 (second only to "Dancing Crazy" which I assume was originally written for that album anyway). The melodies just really hit the spot for me. Plus the two ballads totally surprised me, I wish they'd write more tracks like that.
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: Axel on April 11, 2013, 03:02:16 PM
I fully agree. Smile was a killer song, and I will be eternally disappointed that this particular song didn't do well on the charts.
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: turnaround on April 26, 2013, 07:48:32 PM
Live performance of a new song: 17

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lv5piTsYDMk
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: Joshua on April 27, 2013, 06:35:01 AM
I like it! Avril in her own right is a good songwriter I think, doesn't matter who she works with, a lot of her songs turn out to be perfect pieces of pop.
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: Out on July 15, 2013, 09:01:20 PM
Not confirmed yet but by rumours Max and Shellback are back to produce another song for Avril - "Rock N Roll" written by Chad Kroeger, Rickard Goransson, Avril Lavigne, David Hodges, Jacob Hindlin and Peter Svensson.
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: Axel on July 16, 2013, 10:11:03 AM
Here's to never growing up wasn't all all that successful, am I right? Even though I thought this was about as close as you can get to "Complicated" :-)
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: turnaround on July 16, 2013, 04:35:22 PM
Weird, maybe same phenomenon as BSB. Pretty radio friendly track but no big impact in the charts.
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: J_A24 on July 17, 2013, 06:52:33 PM
Avril Lavigne is not relevant anymore in the charts, same thing for BSB. Just look at her, she's close to 30 and still dressing like a 15 year old.

That said, she's a very good songwriter, but in the pop world, it's not only about songs...besides for people like us.
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: Raul_esp on July 17, 2013, 11:55:03 PM
Avril Lavigne is not relevant anymore in the charts, same thing for BSB. Just look at her, she's close to 30 and still dressing like a 15 year old.

That said, she's a very good songwriter, but in the pop world, it's not only about songs...besides for people like us.

''What the hell'' Was #6 In Usa in 2011 that's a good position.
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: J_A24 on July 18, 2013, 12:49:59 AM
''What the hell'' Was #6 In Usa in 2011 that's a good position.

Yeah, but the rest flopped
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: turnaround on July 19, 2013, 12:40:56 AM
Unlock a snippet of RocknRoll,song co-produced by our Max, as posted before.


http://rocknroll.avrillavigne.com
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: melodicmoonlight on July 19, 2013, 12:53:07 AM
It's out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuLfnONTX9M
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: B Steady on July 19, 2013, 12:55:35 AM
I want you to rock me ................

sounds indeed like Max Martin!
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: AdamKhan on July 19, 2013, 01:27:56 AM
Love this song alot! hope it does well. I think Jacob Kasher was involved again in writing this song with David Hodges.
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: melodicmoonlight on July 19, 2013, 01:39:45 AM
it doesn't sound quite like a Max Martin production... not clean enough. but that chorus! so soaring and classic Avril.
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: Raul_esp on July 19, 2013, 01:46:18 AM
OMGGGGGGGGGGGGG , AMAZING SONG , Best Max song of the year , THE CHORUS IS AMAZING!

I Feel the Max's magic when I hear this song.

The arrengement Reminds me to : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3J_ywpJsSw

That's great Cause this song is too Amazing.

The king is here Again.  ;D
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: Raul_esp on July 19, 2013, 02:00:38 AM
it doesn't sound quite like a Max Martin production... not clean enough. but that chorus! so soaring and classic Avril.

Not a Max song? Hear this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3J_ywpJsSw

Max did this production in 2005  ;D
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: melodicmoonlight on July 19, 2013, 06:14:05 AM
where does it say max produced it? it's not confirmed
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: B Steady on July 19, 2013, 08:50:36 AM
where does it say max produced it? it's not confirmed

Everybody's saying it and it's obvious. Would be surprised if it's not Max.
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: pete729 on July 19, 2013, 12:21:44 PM
Check out this new Max Martin production. It was registered under MXM AB, his production company

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuLfnONTX9M (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuLfnONTX9M)
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: turnaround on July 19, 2013, 12:27:49 PM
Hey Pete, thanks for letting us know. Don't worry I merge the thread with the existing one.
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: Alex Martin on July 19, 2013, 12:49:01 PM
What a great song,my GOD,I LOVE IT!!!!!
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: nznexus on July 19, 2013, 01:16:43 PM
is this her new single?

Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: turnaround on July 19, 2013, 01:23:24 PM
Yes, it must be the new single.
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: DMartin on July 19, 2013, 01:27:57 PM
I love this song so much !!!
Title: Avril Lavigne - Rock & Roll (prod by Max Martin)
Post by: Chris Kleiner on July 19, 2013, 01:34:44 PM
Amazing new Anthem!!!!!
Max is still the King!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuLfnONTX9M
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock & Roll (prod by Max Martin)
Post by: Feelgoodlies on July 19, 2013, 02:57:21 PM
Sounds nice actually, I liked it! But still I get annoyed by her excruciatingly painful vocals!
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: turnaround on July 19, 2013, 02:58:56 PM
I love this song so much !!!
Welcome!! Where is your picture from the avatar from? Walk of fame? Never seen before :)
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: B Steady on July 19, 2013, 03:05:25 PM
Walk of fame?

obviously ;)

DMartin, we already "know" each other, don't we?
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: Joshua on July 19, 2013, 03:16:04 PM
Awesome chorus, the chords and melody are both brilliant! I have a real soft spot for Avril, she knows what it is to make good old fashioned hooky pop/rock. So happy she worked with Max again, though I'm surprised he didn't write on this chorus.
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: Eddie Krommer on July 19, 2013, 04:39:13 PM
The fact that Peter Svensson is involved in the songwriting explains why it reminds me (somehow) Rock Me by One Direction.
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: Feelgoodlies on July 19, 2013, 10:12:35 PM
The fact that Peter Svensson is involved in the songwriting explains why it reminds me (somehow) Rock Me by One Direction.
Yeah it has a "Rock Me" vibe.
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: melodicmoonlight on July 19, 2013, 11:32:47 PM
Everybody's saying it and it's obvious. Would be surprised if it's not Max.

i don't think it's that obvious. on ascap it says it's under MXM music. there are songs in the publishing company that max doesn't produce
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: B Steady on July 19, 2013, 11:41:01 PM
i don't think it's that obvious. on ascap it says it's under MXM music. there are songs in the publishing company that max doesn't produce

Well then you don't know him like I do :)
Even though its not produced by him, it has his typical elements
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: melodicmoonlight on July 20, 2013, 12:31:25 AM
Well then you don't know him like I do :)
Even though its not produced by him, it has his typical elements

you know him personally? I think I know what a Max production sounds like - but there are other producers who have a similar style - case in point, all of his Swedish writers and producers. You don't think they learned from him?

Bonnie McKee's "American Girl" could be Dr. Luke. Everyone thought it was. HTNGU could've been a Dr. Luke song, but it wasn't.

so we'll just wait and see who the listed producer is. Not once during her recording of the album did she mention Max Martin. if anything, he probably came in later (if he in fact co-produced the song) and tweaked some stuff.
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: B Steady on July 20, 2013, 12:44:28 AM
you know him personally? I think I know what a Max production sounds like - but there are other producers who have a similar style - case in point, all of his Swedish writers and producers. You don't think they learned from him?

Bonnie McKee's "American Girl" could be Dr. Luke. Everyone thought it was. HTNGU could've been a Dr. Luke song, but it wasn't.

so we'll just wait and see who the listed producer is. Not once during her recording of the album did she mention Max Martin. if anything, he probably came in later (if he in fact co-produced the song) and tweaked some stuff.

no, we were talking bout his music, not his person ...

please, neither AG nor HTNGU could've been Luke.
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: DMartin on July 20, 2013, 12:55:49 AM
Welcome!! Where is your picture from the avatar from? Walk of fame? Never seen before :)
Yes  :)
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: DMartin on July 20, 2013, 01:00:19 AM
obviously ;)

DMartin, we already "know" each other, don't we?
Sure!  :)
Title: Avril Lavigne - Rock N Roll
Post by: J_A24 on July 20, 2013, 02:48:55 AM
Max Martin and Chad Kroeger collaborate. I'm proud of being canadian.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuLfnONTX9M
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock N Roll
Post by: B Steady on July 20, 2013, 03:01:23 AM
We already have a thread for it ;)
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: J_A24 on July 20, 2013, 03:07:13 AM
I made a thread on the Max Martin forum..doh!

I love this song. Funny thing is that many months ago I listened to a lot of Nickelback and thought of how Chad Kroeger is truly a genius songwriter and the canadian equivalent of Max Martin. And then I thought to myself: "Imagine if Max Martin and Chad Kroeger wrote a song together. It would be a match made in heaven because they have the same approach to songwriting."

Few months pass by, Avril Lavigne gets engaged with Chad Kroeger and they collab with Max Martin. Oh and Peter Svensson too? Awesomeness.
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: Matteo87 on July 20, 2013, 01:03:13 PM
Supersong!!! Love it!!!!!!
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: Rebecca on July 21, 2013, 12:48:58 AM
I adore this song! I can't stop listening to it. fantastic.
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: Out on July 21, 2013, 11:57:12 AM
I was disappointed initially but then have got it. That chorus is probably the most amazing thing since The Best Damn Thing album.
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: turnaround on July 21, 2013, 12:17:36 PM
Wow, first I thought this would only be a weak ROCK ME copy, but now I really begin to like it.

Chorus is catchy. The guitar-solo is amazing. Avril still rocks.  8) 8)
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: B Steady on July 21, 2013, 12:25:59 PM
Max still rocks.  8) 8)

fixed
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: turnaround on July 30, 2013, 07:51:11 PM
Wasn't the song supposed to be put up on iTunes already?

Album will just be called "Avril Lavigne"
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: Joshua on July 31, 2013, 11:47:12 AM
Wasn't the song supposed to be put up on iTunes already?

Album will just be called "Avril Lavigne"

Wiki says it's been pushed back to be released alongside the music video. I wish all releases were like this, I'm over video's coming out when most of the buzz has already gone. Loving this song though, I hope it does well.



Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: Joshua on August 09, 2013, 12:29:38 PM
Album cover looks great:

(http://distilleryimage3.ak.instagram.com/c268862a006711e3a2c122000a1f9d4d_7.jpg)
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: turnaround on August 09, 2013, 02:35:26 PM
FABULOUS
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: B Steady on August 09, 2013, 02:39:33 PM
Oh Miley's album is called "Avril Lavigne"?
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: turnaround on August 09, 2013, 02:41:55 PM
I don't see this.
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: j.fco.morales on August 12, 2013, 11:03:25 PM
I made a thread on the Max Martin forum..doh!

I love this song. Funny thing is that many months ago I listened to a lot of Nickelback and thought of how Chad Kroeger is truly a genius songwriter and the canadian equivalent of Max Martin. And then I thought to myself: "Imagine if Max Martin and Chad Kroeger wrote a song together. It would be a match made in heaven because they have the same approach to songwriting."

Few months pass by, Avril Lavigne gets engaged with Chad Kroeger and they collab with Max Martin. Oh and Peter Svensson too? Awesomeness.

Written by Chad Kroeger, Richard Goransson, David Hodges, Jacob Hindlin and Peter Svensson and produced by Max Martin.

It's the one of the few times Max produced and did not write.
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: melodicmoonlight on August 13, 2013, 02:01:54 AM
Written by Chad Kroeger, Richard Goransson, David Hodges, Jacob Hindlin and Peter Svensson and produced by Max Martin.

It's the one of the few times Max produced and did not write.

We have no source or credit listing Max as producer.
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: Raul_esp on August 13, 2013, 02:09:23 AM
Lyric video :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI7GjcpdI4A

 :)
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: j.fco.morales on August 13, 2013, 07:00:45 AM
We have no source or credit listing Max as producer.

True. Sometimes I'm not sure about him producing the track... what do you guys think?
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: Alex Martin on August 13, 2013, 10:28:42 AM
This song is amazing.I'm sure Max is involved like writer and producer.
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: B Steady on August 13, 2013, 10:40:13 AM
This got to be Max Martin!
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: Joshua on August 13, 2013, 11:42:05 AM
This got to be Max Martin!

If it's not, I'm a fan of whoever it is!
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: turnaround on August 14, 2013, 06:10:18 PM
Teaser:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFanUahZyxQ
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: Raul_esp on August 15, 2013, 12:47:11 AM
Teaser:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFanUahZyxQ

Cool!
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: melodicmoonlight on August 15, 2013, 07:17:28 AM
a live acoustic mix someone (https://twitter.com/lucasenlaplaya) made with the lead vocals. pretty cool to hear the adlibs clearer at the end:

http://www17.zippyshare.com/v/83070299/file.html
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: turnaround on August 19, 2013, 10:41:48 AM
No Max

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_N_Roll_(Avril_Lavigne_song) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_N_Roll_(Avril_Lavigne_song))
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: B Steady on August 19, 2013, 10:45:04 AM
No Max

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_N_Roll_(Avril_Lavigne_song) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_N_Roll_(Avril_Lavigne_song))

But a Martin ;D

Martin Johnson is awesome. Looking forward to his future productions!
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: Joshua on August 19, 2013, 12:15:00 PM
Oh well... makes more sense that he's not involved, but a great Max alike sound all the same. I'm really loving it!
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: melodicmoonlight on August 20, 2013, 05:22:52 AM
But a Martin ;D

Martin Johnson is awesome. Looking forward to his future productions!

told you so
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: turnaround on August 20, 2013, 09:52:10 AM
VIDEO :D

http://www.popjustice.com/videos/avril-lavigne-rock-n-roll/118870
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: Joshua on August 20, 2013, 10:33:18 AM
VIDEO :D

Woooowwww! I've been missing big concept videos like this, that was seriously awesome!
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: Rebecca on August 20, 2013, 12:58:01 PM
great video and I love the guitar scene like "November Rain", very funny. Love the song too.
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: turnaround on August 20, 2013, 02:13:02 PM
When will it be online on iTunes  :-X
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: melodicmoonlight on August 20, 2013, 06:33:05 PM
When will it be online on iTunes  :-X

August 27th
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: Eddie Krommer on August 20, 2013, 06:48:47 PM
Winnie Cooper from The Wonder Years!!!!!!
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: B Steady on August 20, 2013, 07:08:28 PM
btw turnaround, how about changing the thread title? :P
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: Joshua on August 20, 2013, 07:12:35 PM
btw turnaround, how about changing the thread title? :P

I think just for fun you should change it to: "Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (not produced by Max Martin)"
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (produced by Max Martin)
Post by: j.fco.morales on August 21, 2013, 03:55:13 AM
The album was delayed until November.
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (not produced by Max Martin)
Post by: J_A24 on August 21, 2013, 08:12:35 PM
Martin Johnson, Rickard Goransson and Peter Svensson.

Close enough. Drums sound so Max Martin/Shellback though.
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (not produced by Max Martin)
Post by: Raul_esp on August 22, 2013, 02:21:38 PM
Great video , Interesting it's not produced by Max , Anyway I love it , it has a Max vibe in the chorus and production.
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (not produced by Max Martin)
Post by: Jules on September 01, 2013, 07:05:21 PM
Additional programming and keyboard by Max Martin  ;)
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (not produced by Max Martin)
Post by: Joshua on September 02, 2013, 01:20:49 PM
Additional programming and keyboard by Max Martin  ;)

Woohoo! :D I get the feeling Max might be showing Peter Svensson the pop producing ropes a little.
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (not produced by Max Martin)
Post by: Raul_esp on September 02, 2013, 02:25:57 PM
Additional programming and keyboard by Max Martin  ;)

I knew he was involved.
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (not produced by Max Martin)
Post by: gm33 on September 02, 2013, 04:08:45 PM
This song is amazing! Can't stop listening to it.
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (not produced by Max Martin)
Post by: j.fco.morales on September 03, 2013, 05:20:55 AM
Woohoo! :D I get the feeling Max might be showing Peter Svensson the pop producing ropes a little.

Peter Svensson of The Cardigans?
The Cardigans will be playing in Chile in November, I'm so excited about it!
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (not produced by Max Martin)
Post by: Joshua on September 03, 2013, 12:38:00 PM
Peter Svensson of The Cardigans?
The Cardigans will be playing in Chile in November, I'm so excited about it!

Yep that's him! I'm guessing Max and some of the guys from The Cardigans are quite good friends. They got him into using old analogue audio gear back in the early Maratone days. He even ending up swapping out his huge digital desk for an analogue one.
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (not produced by Max Martin)
Post by: Rebecca on September 03, 2013, 01:21:48 PM
Peter Svensson is amazing! I love many of his songs at the moment - Rock n Roll obviously, plus Vicci Martinez's "Come Along" and Emblem3's "Chloe..."

I didn't realise The Cardigans were still together, it would be great to see them in concert.
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (not produced by Max Martin)
Post by: turnaround on September 03, 2013, 03:39:16 PM
Wonder how this went.

"We could do with some additional programming, maybe Max has a few minutes?"  8)
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (not produced by Max Martin)
Post by: turnaround on September 06, 2013, 05:40:31 PM
Tracklisting:

1. "Rock N Roll"
2. "Here's To Never Growing Up"
3. "17"
4. "Bitchin' Summer"
5. "Let Me Go" – feat. Chad Kroeger
6. "Give You What You Like"
7. "Bad Girl" – feat. Marilyn Manson
8. "Hello Kitty"
9. "You Ain't Seen Nothin' Yet"
10. "Sippin' On Sunshine"
11. "Hello Heartache"
12. "Falling Fast"
13. "Hush Hush"

http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/pop-shop/5680068/avril-lavigne-avril-lavigne-fall-music-preview-2013?utm_source=twitter (http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/pop-shop/5680068/avril-lavigne-avril-lavigne-fall-music-preview-2013?utm_source=twitter)


According to wikipedia more songs have been produced by Johnson. So maybe there is even more Max involved (instruments, additional programming, etc.)   8) 8)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avril_Lavigne_(album) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avril_Lavigne_(album))
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (not produced by Max Martin)
Post by: gm33 on September 13, 2013, 02:23:31 PM
I know I've said it before, but I'll say it again, Rock n Roll is one of my favorite pop songs in quite some time -- simply amazing!
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (not produced by Max Martin)
Post by: turnaround on September 24, 2013, 10:07:42 AM
Rock N Roll      Avril Lavigne, Peter Svensson, Rickard B. Göransson, J Kash, Chad Kroeger & David Hodges   
Here's To Never Growing Up      Avril Lavigne, Martin Johnson, David Hodges, Chad Kroeger & J Kash   
17      Avril Lavigne, J Kash & Martin Johnson   
Bitchin' Summer      Avril Lavigne, Matt Squire, Chad Kroeger, David Hodges & J Kash   
Let Me Go (feat. Chad Kroeger)      Avril Lavigne, Chad Kroeger & David Hodges   
Give You What You Like      Avril Lavigne, Chad Kroeger & David Hodges   
Bad Girl (feat. Marilyn Manson)      Avril Lavigne, Chad Kroeger & David Hodges   
Hello Kitty      Avril Lavigne, Chad Kroeger, Martin Johnson & David Hodges   
You Ain't Seen Nothin' Yet      Avril Lavigne   
Sippin' On Sunshine      Avril Lavigne, Martin Johnson, Chad Kroeger, David Hodges & J Kash   
Hello Heartache      Avril Lavigne & David Hodges   
Falling Fast      Avril Lavigne   
Hush Hush      Avril Lavigne & David Hodges   
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (not produced by Max Martin)
Post by: Alex Martin on September 24, 2013, 12:57:06 PM
No Max  :P  ???  :-\ 
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (not produced by Max Martin)
Post by: j.fco.morales on September 24, 2013, 06:47:09 PM
Martin Johnson, David Hdoges... seems like the budget was smaller this time, after the failure of Goodbye Lullaby.
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (not produced by Max Martin)
Post by: melodicmoonlight on September 26, 2013, 09:01:10 AM
what happened with the stuff she did with The Runners then?
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (not produced by Max Martin)
Post by: j.fco.morales on September 30, 2013, 08:15:46 PM
30 seconds previews of the songs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pj9B7RWCQM#t=42
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (not produced by Max Martin)
Post by: DSonthebeat on October 07, 2013, 09:34:31 PM
My god, I just listened to "Let me go", what a HIT!!! Top production, top vocals, top harmonies and composition, I hope for a great video!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TA-uT1jE4O4#t=106 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TA-uT1jE4O4#t=106)
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (not produced by Max Martin)
Post by: Joshua on October 08, 2013, 11:27:03 AM
My god, I just listened to "Let me go", what a HIT!!! Top production, top vocals, top harmonies and composition, I hope for a great video!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TA-uT1jE4O4#t=106 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TA-uT1jE4O4#t=106)

Woah, love this! Melody and chords are kind of magical, in an "Ordinary World" kind of way.
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (not produced by Max Martin)
Post by: turnaround on October 15, 2013, 09:50:13 AM
Let me go is available on iTunes already :D

Maybe it will be the long awaited hit she needs.

https://itunes.apple.com/de/album/let-me-go-feat.-chad-kroeger/id722117686?affId=2051894&ign-mpt=uo%3D4
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (not produced by Max Martin)
Post by: rhythmic5 on October 15, 2013, 03:35:50 PM
woah, Let Me Go has a really dope progression (b minor with I, III, VII, IV)! love the borrowed major tonic... sounds like a 90s alt. radio rock throwback. great melodies too (can't believe I'm saying this about the work of the Nickelback guy haha).
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (not produced by Max Martin)
Post by: J_A24 on October 21, 2013, 09:04:14 AM
woah, Let Me Go has a really dope progression (b minor with I, III, VII, IV)! love the borrowed major tonic... sounds like a 90s alt. radio rock throwback. great melodies too (can't believe I'm saying this about the work of the Nickelback guy haha).
Chad Kroeger is the canadian version of Max Martin. You can hate Nickelback all you want, but his melodies are effin' amazing. Only thing about "Let me go" is that it sounds too much like a Nickelback song.

The chord progression is cool, I love the "Epic and haunting" vibe.
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (not produced by Max Martin)
Post by: turnaround on November 01, 2013, 12:19:51 PM
Released in Germany - and I'm really into this. It's very poppy, reminds me of the old Avril from her debut. I guess this was her intention.

Will try to do a rating later. But first impression is very good.
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (not produced by Max Martin)
Post by: Joshua on November 01, 2013, 01:13:47 PM
Both Germany and Australia got the release today, I was so tempted to grab it but was short on cash and went for Katy instead. I trust your instincts on it though so I'll pick it up next week.
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (not produced by Max Martin)
Post by: j.fco.morales on November 01, 2013, 06:02:06 PM
I'm not really feeling it, though.

I'd like her to try a more alternative and edgier sound, it's too pop and it's playing safe.
Or even making songs with the same people as always: Luke, Max Martin and try something with Butch Walker or Greg Kurstin.
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (not produced by Max Martin)
Post by: J_A24 on November 02, 2013, 07:56:27 PM
I think her music is fine, but her persona just doesn't click anymore with the mainstream audience. She has slowly become irrelevant.
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (not produced by Max Martin)
Post by: Joshua on November 03, 2013, 05:10:00 AM
I think her music is fine, but her persona just doesn't click anymore with the mainstream audience. She has slowly become irrelevant.

I think you're right, she's the chick with attitude and it's just not what the current generation are going for. She seems fully aware of it though, given the lyrics of "Rock N Roll". Maybe her time will come back around.
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (not produced by Max Martin)
Post by: turnaround on November 03, 2013, 06:50:10 PM
"Hush, hush", really gets me. Amazing track. Exactly how Avril must sound.
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (not produced by Max Martin)
Post by: melodicmoonlight on November 04, 2013, 12:27:06 AM
"Hush, hush", really gets me. Amazing track. Exactly how Avril must sound.

I agree. It almost feels/sounds like "the real" Avril to me
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (not produced by Max Martin)
Post by: Jules on November 06, 2013, 08:40:37 PM
I love "Sippin' On Sunshine", awesome song! <3
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (not produced by Max Martin)
Post by: maxmartin'sfan on November 07, 2013, 06:06:39 PM
Hush Hush is just so amazing!!!
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (not produced by Max Martin)
Post by: Rebecca on November 09, 2013, 11:00:00 AM
I think this is her best album. My favourite is still Rock n Roll, but I like the rest of the album too.
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (not produced by Max Martin)
Post by: melodicmoonlight on November 10, 2013, 04:31:24 AM
remembering when everyone here was SO SURE that Rock N Roll sounded like a Max Martin production. people who "loved him," "knew his work," etc were dead set on it and I always knew he didn't. album booklet is out obviously and Peter Svensson, Martin Johnson, and some other guy did it.
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (not produced by Max Martin)
Post by: J_A24 on November 12, 2013, 05:43:38 AM
remembering when everyone here was SO SURE that Rock N Roll sounded like a Max Martin production. people who "loved him," "knew his work," etc were dead set on it and I always knew he didn't. album booklet is out obviously and Peter Svensson, Martin Johnson, and some other guy did it.

Not only the production, but the songwriting is heavily influenced by Max Martin. Peter Svensson is one of Max's best friends after all.
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (not produced by Max Martin)
Post by: Joshua on November 12, 2013, 01:20:00 PM
Not only the production, but the songwriting is heavily influenced by Max Martin. Peter Svensson is one of Max's best friends after all.

Don't forget Max did additional programming/keyboards on it too!
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (not produced by Max Martin)
Post by: J_A24 on November 12, 2013, 06:51:05 PM
Don't forget Max did additional programming/keyboards on it too!

Makes a lot of sense, the drums are very Max Martin. He probably did some drum replacement and added a few synths.
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (not produced by Max Martin)
Post by: Jules on January 22, 2014, 09:28:10 PM
ASCAP:

"Don't Fuck This Up"

BORRERO MARCO DANIEL
CARLSSON JOHAN JENS ERIK
HINDLIN JACOB KASHER
MAX MARTIN


Performers:

AVRIL LAVIGNE
EMBLEM3


Rejected from both of their albums??  :o
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (not produced by Max Martin)
Post by: B Steady on January 22, 2014, 10:12:14 PM
remembering when everyone here was SO SURE that Rock N Roll sounded like a Max Martin production. people who "loved him," "knew his work," etc were dead set on it and I always knew he didn't. album booklet is out obviously and Peter Svensson, Martin Johnson, and some other guy did it.

So you knew you were wrong and didn't read the whole booklet? Interesting story!
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (not produced by Max Martin)
Post by: Axel on January 23, 2014, 09:09:30 AM
looks like it flopped massively though?
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (not produced by Max Martin)
Post by: B Steady on January 23, 2014, 10:57:59 AM
looks like it flopped massively though?

Number 1 in South Korea, how can you call that a flop!? ;D

But it sold at least 100,000 copies in japan
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (not produced by Max Martin)
Post by: j.fco.morales on January 23, 2014, 04:32:17 PM
She had worldwide hits back then. Now she doesn't.
That's it.

I think her fans grew up, and she's stuck in her teenage.
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (not produced by Max Martin)
Post by: turnaround on September 19, 2018, 09:01:36 PM
New song after a long pause and health problems.


Stephan Moccio, Avril Lavigne, Travis Clark   
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (not produced by Max Martin)
Post by: bugmenot on October 03, 2018, 08:31:26 PM
Spotify keeps adding me this song to my Favorites. Such desperate a way to promote a song.
With all my love to Lavigne, it seems stupid.
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (not produced by Max Martin)
Post by: turnaround on December 12, 2018, 10:12:40 PM
Avril Lavigne, Johan Carlsson, Justin Gary, Melissa Bel & Ryan Cabrera

Producer: Avril Lavigne, Johan Carlsson, Justin Gary, Melissa Bel & Ryan Cabrera

Strings by Mathias Bylund


Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (not produced by Max Martin)
Post by: melodicmoonlight on December 13, 2018, 04:58:24 AM
Better than Head Above Water

She's lost a certain quality to her voice... what happened?
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (not produced by Max Martin)
Post by: nanofives on January 02, 2019, 11:17:52 PM
Tell me it's over really grew on me.
The one thing that's outstanding to me is the last chorus, just before it starts seems like it's going to change the key but it doesn't, it's just as powerful without the awfulness of forcing her vocals being higher, and the only thing that's being added are some vocals on top. Very nice work from Johan.
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (not produced by Max Martin)
Post by: melodicmoonlight on February 13, 2019, 03:24:31 AM
I like this, definitely Bonnie vibes but it works for Avril. I'd love to hear Avril do something like American Girl or S.L.A.Y. A return to form...
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (not produced by Max Martin)
Post by: j.fco.morales on February 14, 2019, 05:15:26 PM
Album is out tomorrow.

I listened to it: I didn't like it. Guitars and 808s, drum programming... not my cup of tea.
Nothing special, everyone is doing pretty much something like this.
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (not produced by Max Martin)
Post by: nanofives on February 15, 2019, 01:14:23 AM
This album would be so much better if it was all produced by The Matrix or Butch Walker like the old days. It's in the middle between bubblegum pop and teen punk and it's not either of those at the same time, such a mess.
Title: Re: Avril Lavigne - Rock n Roll (not produced by Max Martin)
Post by: j.fco.morales on February 15, 2019, 09:26:16 PM

I think I'm going to listen this one instead.