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Title: Justin Bieber - Purpose with single "Sorry" (Justin Tranter)
Post by: turnaround on October 16, 2015, 09:09:45 AM
Does anyone know why he's working with her and not Justin Bieber?

It seems that would make sense
Justin Tranter has a song on the Justin Bieber album:

Sorry
Justin Bieber, Michael Tucker, Sonny Moore, Julia Michaels & justin tranter   
Purpose (Deluxe)   
Title: Re: Justin Bieber - Purpose (Justin Tranter)
Post by: j.fco.morales on October 16, 2015, 05:05:56 PM
Justin Tranter has a song on the Justin Bieber album:

Sorry
Justin Bieber, Michael Tucker, Sonny Moore, Julia Michaels & justin tranter   
Purpose (Deluxe)

Do you have the full credits?

Bieber should work with Ali Payami+Max+Peter Svensson!
Title: Re: Justin Bieber - Purpose (Justin Tranter)
Post by: turnaround on October 16, 2015, 05:26:04 PM
Track 1      Justin Bieber, Jason Boyd & Michael Tucker   
Track 2      Justin Bieber, Josh Gudwin, Michael Tucker, Sonny Moore & Theron Feemster   
What Do You Mean?      Justin Bieber, Jason Boyd & Mason Levy   
Sorry      Justin Bieber, Michael Tucker, Sonny Moore, Julia Michaels & justin tranter   
Track 5      Justin Bieber, Ed Sheeran & Benjamin Levin   
Track 6      Justin Bieber, Jason Boyd, James Abrahart, Andreas Shuller, Thomas Troelsen, James Wong & Leroy Clampitt   
Track 7      Justin Bieber, Jason Boyd, Dominic Jordan, Jimmy Giannos & Sean Anderson   
Track 8      Justin Bieber, Jason Boyd, Kenneth Coby, Jacques Webster & Mike Dean   
Track 9      Justin Bieber, Julia Michaels, Clarence Coffee Jr., Sarah Hudson, Sonny Moore & Ian Kirkpatrick   
Track 10      Justin Bieber, Jason Boyd & Mark Jackson   
Where Are Ü Now      Justin Bieber, Thomas Pentz & Sonny Moore   
Track 12      Justin Bieber, Jason Boyd, Sonny Moore, Brandon Green & Nico Stadi   
Track 13      Justin Bieber, Jason Boyd, Stephen Philibin, Eben Wares, Jeremy Snyder & Scott "Scooter" Braun   
Track 14      Justin Bieber, Jason Boyd, Josh Abraham, Brandon Green, Oliver Goldstein & Saul Alexander Castillo Vasquez   
Track 15      Justin Bieber, Jason Boyd, Brandon Green, Josh Abraham, Ely Weisfeld, Nico Stadi, Josh Gudwin & Saul Alexander Castillo Vasquez   
Track 16      Justin Bieber, Jason Boyd, Andre Harris, Donovan Knight & Nasir Jones   
Track 17      Justin Bieber, Jason Boyd & Mark Jackson   
Track 18      Justin Bieber, Jason Boyd, Mark Johnson, Mason Levy & Josh Gudwin   
What Do You Mean? (Remix)      Justin Bieber, Jason Boyd & Mason Levy   

Probably Sorry is the next pre-single.
Title: Re: Justin Bieber - Purpose (Justin Tranter)
Post by: j.fco.morales on October 16, 2015, 07:27:14 PM
Thank you :)

Seems like Poo Bear is the main collaborator.
I can't wait to hear the Oliver and AC tracks :D
Title: Re: Justin Bieber - Purpose (Justin Tranter)
Post by: melodicmoonlight on October 16, 2015, 10:21:01 PM
Awesome. I bet this album's gonna be good. Benny Blanco, AC, Oliver. Julia Michaels is probably gonna go solo in a few years
Title: Re: Justin Bieber - Purpose (Justin Tranter)
Post by: turnaround on October 22, 2015, 11:51:24 PM
Justin's new single Sorry:

http://www.vevo.com/watch/justin-bieber/Sorry-(Dance-Video)/USUV71503124
Title: Re: Justin Bieber - Purpose with single "Sorry" (Justin Tranter)
Post by: j.fco.morales on October 23, 2015, 12:51:14 AM
Absolutely in love with the song.
Title: Re: Justin Bieber - Purpose with single "Sorry" (Justin Tranter)
Post by: Polarmachine on November 06, 2015, 11:34:09 PM
JB mentions Max in his new big Billboard interview.
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"In the past I’ve recorded songs that I didn’t like, that I wouldn’t listen to, that the label was telling me to record. I’m self-expressing with this album -- I can’t skip on the moments that were dark, the moments that were happy, the ex-girlfriend stuff. It makes it real, rather than ‘Let’s call up Max Martin to write you a hit song.’ I want my music to be inspiring.”

http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/cover-story/6753004/justin-bieber-fame-faith-selena-gomez

lol ;)
Title: Re: Justin Bieber - Purpose with single "Sorry" (Justin Tranter)
Post by: turnaround on November 10, 2015, 08:02:06 PM
I can see his point.

Will definitely check out his album. So far the songs sound nice.

Latest release:

Love Yourself

Writer: Justin Bieber - Ed Sheeran - Benjamin Levin / Composer: Justin Bieber - Ed Sheeran - Benjamin Levin
Title: Re: Justin Bieber - Purpose with single "Sorry" (Justin Tranter)
Post by: j.fco.morales on November 11, 2015, 04:38:35 AM
Available here to listen:
http://jenesaispop.com/2015/11/10/242889/justin-bieber-estrena-love-yourself-con-ed-sheeran/
Title: Re: Justin Bieber - Purpose with single "Sorry" (Justin Tranter)
Post by: j.fco.morales on November 13, 2015, 03:55:54 AM
The album is out.

The Skrillex-produced tracks are the best songs on the album.
Dude is working hard on his sound.
Title: Re: Justin Bieber - Purpose with single "Sorry" (Justin Tranter)
Post by: J_A24 on November 14, 2015, 02:00:59 AM
I'm feeling "Company", high quality production right there.
Title: Re: Justin Bieber - Purpose with single "Sorry" (Justin Tranter)
Post by: Dr. Fleischman on November 15, 2015, 11:08:06 PM
I absolutely loved the singles and I think those songs made Justin a singer you're not embarrassed to listen to when your friends are around. The whole album doesn't move though. The production is nice overall but not many great songs in my opinion. I'd say "Children" is the one that stands out.
Title: Re: Justin Bieber - Purpose with single "Sorry" (Justin Tranter)
Post by: j.fco.morales on November 16, 2015, 04:12:43 PM
There are clear singles here.
Title: Re: Justin Bieber - Purpose with single "Sorry" (Justin Tranter)
Post by: j.fco.morales on May 29, 2016, 07:47:52 PM
Sorry has been acused of plagiarism:

http://jenesaispop.com/2016/05/28/261834/justin-bieber-y-skrillex-niegan-haber-robado-a-white-hinterland-en-sorry/

The interesting thing here is that Skrillex uploaded a video with the session with Julia Michaels singing the demo and showed how he did the vocal chop accused of plagiarism.
Title: Re: Justin Bieber - Purpose with single "Sorry" (Justin Tranter)
Post by: georg_e on May 30, 2016, 11:50:28 AM
Sorry has been acused of plagiarism:

http://jenesaispop.com/2016/05/28/261834/justin-bieber-y-skrillex-niegan-haber-robado-a-white-hinterland-en-sorry/

The interesting thing here is that Skrillex uploaded a video with the session with Julia Michaels singing the demo and showed how he did the vocal chop accused of plagiarism.
     Diplo's take on what probably happened with this.....
http://m.tmz.com/#article/2016/05/27/diplo-justin-bieber-skrillex-sorry-lawsuit/
Title: Re: Justin Bieber - Purpose with single "Sorry" (Justin Tranter)
Post by: j.fco.morales on May 30, 2016, 07:32:21 PM
     Diplo's take on what probably happened with this.....
http://m.tmz.com/#article/2016/05/27/diplo-justin-bieber-skrillex-sorry-lawsuit/

Just like Diplo said: TMZ is not a source.
And if you know his humor, you would notice the sarcasm...
Title: Re: Justin Bieber - Purpose with single "Sorry" (Justin Tranter)
Post by: georg_e on May 30, 2016, 08:31:46 PM
Just like Diplo said: TMZ is not a source.
And if you know his humor, you would notice the sarcasm...
First of all....'sarcasm' where?? C'mon......TMZ or the BBC......Diplo said what he said, on FILM -- he couldn't have been clearer, whatever his sense of humor is or isn't. And if he thinks TMZ is so low, why stop and talk with them then?  Total backtracking: its a little ridiculous to give an interview about something that involves big $$$$ on camera to an organization and then later say they're "not a source"!

*edit* Anyway all that is beside the point: if you have ears its obvious that the two songs have almost the EXACT same riff at the SAME place in the song (the beginning) in the SAME key, and he even said he knows the group White Hinterland which means it didn't come from some source nobody never heard of. That they manipulated the songwriter's vocal to re-do it means NOTHING, if they didn't clear it, despite being asked to.
Title: Re: Justin Bieber - Purpose with single "Sorry" (Justin Tranter)
Post by: j.fco.morales on May 30, 2016, 09:51:08 PM
First of all....'sarcasm' where?? C'mon......TMZ or the BBC......Diplo said what he said, on FILM -- he couldn't have been clearer, whatever his sense of humor is or isn't. And if he thinks TMZ is so low, why stop and talk with them then?  Total backtracking: its a little ridiculous to give an interview about something that involves big $$$$ on camera to an organization and then later say they're "not a source"!

*edit* Anyway all that is beside the point: if you have ears its obvious that the two songs have almost the EXACT same riff at the SAME place in the song (the beginning) in the SAME key, and he even said he knows the group White Hinterland which means it didn't come from some source nobody never heard of. That they manipulated the songwriter's vocal to re-do it means NOTHING, if they didn't clear it, despite being asked to.

There are people just waiting for "celebrities" -can't stand the concept- to take pictures or ask weird things. Then these people shop that material.
Sites like TMZ buy that material and make "shocking news" about it. In any case is "Diplo talked with TMZ".

Diplo does awful jokes all the time. Bad sense of humor.
Plus, he wasn't involved in the record.

And, I know there's some people in the forum that makes music too, and everyone knows that there's not unused chord progressions or melodies or stuff.
It's a 1 bar bit.

The video I posted before actually shows Skrillex and the way the arrangement was done, transposing an adlib and placing it in other part.
The one bar melody is very similar, but using that video as a proof, I think there's no bad intention behind it.
To avoid legal issues, it makes sense to give them proper credit.

But the arrangements and the song itself are completely different things.
Title: Re: Justin Bieber - Purpose with single "Sorry" (Justin Tranter)
Post by: georg_e on May 30, 2016, 11:52:12 PM
He spoke the truth about the situation as he understands it, and from his own experience. I was simply presenting that fact, in his own words. He seemed pretty straightforward about it to me :-)
Title: Re: Justin Bieber - Purpose with single "Sorry" (Justin Tranter)
Post by: j.fco.morales on May 31, 2016, 12:07:48 AM
Well, songwriting has changed.....they're NOT completely different things.....a hook like that is worth millions.......it's not just some little 4 bar or whatever thing.....he didn't say they "stole" it, just that someone screwed up and didn't bother to clear it. And that he'd run into a situation like that himself,
but caught it in time (with sampling horns from Outkast).
    This Bieber case has been in the news, they caught him off guard at the airport and he spoke the truth about it as he understands the situation.
    Which is great.....but then he backtracked later and blamed TMZ. (For exactly what, I don't understand .......)

Well, I'm not being clear enough: this looks like a coincidence.
There's a lot of patterns used all over again, with subtle differences.

For sample clearance, you need to use a 4 bar pattern from other recording.
If you interpolate 4 bars, you receive extra money for related rights.
If you use a small part from a recording in your own record, you can clear the sample or manipulate/change it enough to not be recognized.

So, again: the video Skrillex posted in his twitter explains it all.
In this case seems like the less known artist taking is advantage of the situation to sue, claiming a sound with a duration of less than 2 seconds is being used.
To me, this is like saying a certain type of chord progression is MY chord progression.
Title: Re: Justin Bieber - Purpose with single "Sorry" (Justin Tranter)
Post by: georg_e on May 31, 2016, 12:12:11 AM
Wouldn't you maybe think maybe Diplo knows what he's talking about a lot more than you or me?
Don't see what else I can say.....the man said they should've cleared it. End of story :-)
Title: Re: Justin Bieber - Purpose with single "Sorry" (Justin Tranter)
Post by: nanofives on May 31, 2016, 07:18:06 PM
Diplo, the man who accused zedd of being a sold out while having a song in the top 10 which Justin bieber, the least sold out collaboration.
And his excuse to the twitter harsh "but mine is better"
Really... No one can take diplo seriously, he could have done big bangers, but he also did terrible things, did you ever listened to bubble butt?
We know about music too, we don't need big billboard hits to understand when something is plagiarism or just a coincidence. And that video was enough for me.
Title: Re: Justin Bieber - Purpose with single "Sorry" (Justin Tranter)
Post by: georg_e on May 31, 2016, 07:38:33 PM
Another Forum member who knows more than Diplo who ACTUALLY WORKS WITH SKRILLEX AND HAD KNOWLEDGE OF THE CASE BEFORE HE ANSWERED THE QUESTION :-D
Title: Re: Justin Bieber - Purpose with single "Sorry" (Justin Tranter)
Post by: j.fco.morales on May 31, 2016, 07:51:44 PM
Diplo, the man who accused zedd of being a sold out while having a song in the top 10 which Justin bieber, the least sold out collaboration.
And his excuse to the twitter harsh "but mine is better"
Really... No one can take diplo seriously, he could have done big bangers, but he also did terrible things, did you ever listened to bubble butt?
We know about music too, we don't need big billboard hits to understand when something is plagiarism or just a coincidence. And that video was enough for me.

+1.

georg_e OK.
Title: Re: Justin Bieber - Purpose with single "Sorry" (Justin Tranter)
Post by: nanofives on June 02, 2016, 02:50:18 AM
Well, now you're just making up things. I suggest you go and look at that TMZ interview again. It's very clear that he didn't know a single thing about the background since he WASN'T involved, he's just talking answering with suppositions.
Title: Re: Justin Bieber - Purpose with single "Sorry" (Justin Tranter)
Post by: georg_e on June 02, 2016, 04:46:27 PM
Well, now you're just making up things. I suggest you go and look at that TMZ interview again. It's very clear that he didn't know a single thing about the background since he WASN'T involved, he's just talking answering with suppositions.
Yeah, I just made it up :-) But I guess this guy did too :-D
http://www.showbiz411.com/2016/05/27/justin-bieber-given-up-by-producer-diplo-who-also-rats-out-beyonce-on-sampling
Title: Re: Justin Bieber - Purpose with single "Sorry" (Justin Tranter)
Post by: nanofives on June 02, 2016, 07:02:05 PM
So you're quoting the article which monetize by transcribing everything diplo say in the TMZ video?
Look, I don't think this is something like diplo's horns on a Beyonce song, this is a voice, it's an edited voice, I think this girl blaming skrillex for plagiarism it's just coincidence, obviously this is my point of view based on what I see and I decide not to believe something from a person who was not credited on the song, of Justin, or Julia, or skrillex, or bloodpop says this well, that's the only thing that'd change my mind.
I will point out always the skrillex video which he explains very good it's not a sample nor a fragment of her song.
Title: Re: Justin Bieber - Purpose with single "Sorry" (Justin Tranter)
Post by: georg_e on June 02, 2016, 07:10:09 PM
So you're quoting the article which monetize by transcribing everything diplo say in the TMZ video?

    Yes, I was referring to that article, correct :-)
Title: Re: Justin Bieber - Purpose with single "Sorry" (Justin Tranter)
Post by: j.fco.morales on June 18, 2016, 07:14:58 PM
Did anyone heard this?

https://soundcloud.com/jerry-shen-403158940/what-do-you-mean-its-1985-justin-bieber

It's Justin Bieber with 80's inspired production.
Title: Re: Justin Bieber - Purpose with single "Sorry" (Justin Tranter)
Post by: georg_e on June 18, 2016, 08:23:19 PM
Did anyone heard this?

https://soundcloud.com/jerry-shen-403158940/what-do-you-mean-its-1985-justin-bieber

It's Justin Bieber with 80's inspired production.
   Yes! So brilliantly done :-D  I love how he did Ariana's "One More Time" 80's style too.
Title: Re: Justin Bieber - Purpose with single "Sorry" (Justin Tranter)
Post by: B Steady on June 18, 2016, 09:13:44 PM
Did anyone heard this?

https://soundcloud.com/jerry-shen-403158940/what-do-you-mean-its-1985-justin-bieber

It's Justin Bieber with 80's inspired production.

brilliant
Title: Re: Justin Bieber - Purpose with single "Sorry" (Justin Tranter)
Post by: j.fco.morales on June 30, 2016, 07:13:51 AM
http://hollywoodlife.com/2016/01/06/justin-bieber-hates-old-music-beauty-and-a-beat-selena-gomez/

“I never really liked “Beauty and a Beat,”” he admitted on Bert Weiss’ radio show, of the song he recorded with Nicki Minaj, 33, and put out as a single at the end of 2012. “But I understood what it was at the time. And it was music that was popular at that time, as well. But I was never really a huge fan of that song.”
Title: Re: Justin Bieber - Purpose with single "Sorry" (Justin Tranter)
Post by: nanofives on July 01, 2016, 02:47:13 AM
I guess it makes sense, it's difficult to like a song you didn't write. I think that's the only song Justin didn't write.
Title: Re: Justin Bieber - Purpose with single "Sorry" (Justin Tranter)
Post by: Polarmachine on July 01, 2016, 08:33:47 PM
New song from JB, Ed Sheeran, Major Lazer and Benny Blanco incoming !!

It's called Cold Water and I assume it's a banger when these guys are behind it  8) 8)
Title: Re: Justin Bieber - Purpose with single "Sorry" (Justin Tranter)
Post by: nanofives on July 01, 2016, 11:13:05 PM
One of them don't fit, guess who lol.
It could be interesting, I love surprises.
Title: Re: Justin Bieber - Purpose with single "Sorry" (Justin Tranter)
Post by: j.fco.morales on July 02, 2016, 06:58:06 AM
I guess it makes sense, it's difficult to like a song you didn't write. I think that's the only song Justin didn't write.

Actually, I think he has ghostwriting credits.
He was mentored by Usher and Usher ghostwrites everything with his name.

Not going to far, just think about the plagiarism accusation: Skrillex showed the original Julia Michaels demo and it was basically the same song tuned up.
It's not like: we will write with this guys to see what happens.
They send the tracks or songs in full form and Justin and Poo Bear change some things here and there and get songwriting credits.
If you're an unknown songwriter, it's business.

Thankfully, Max and anyone from his team never had any troubles about stuff like that.
Title: Re: Justin Bieber - Purpose with single "Sorry" (Justin Tranter)
Post by: turnaround on July 22, 2016, 10:04:32 AM
Major Lazer - Cold Water (feat. Justin Bieber & MO)

Quite an army of writers:

Composer:
Diplo
Benny Blanco
Jr Blender
King Henry

Lyricist:
Justin Bieber
Ed Sheeran
Benjamin Levin
Thomas Pentz
Henry Allen
Karen Marie Ørsted
Philip Meckseper
Jamie Scott


https://open.spotify.com/track/6DNtNfH8hXkqOX1sjqmI7p

Big hit coming up.

Title: Re: Justin Bieber - Purpose with single "Sorry" (Justin Tranter)
Post by: nanofives on July 22, 2016, 06:27:54 PM
I see some Robin Schulz vibes on this, it grew on me on the first listen.
Title: Re: Justin Bieber - Purpose with single "Sorry" (Justin Tranter)
Post by: j.fco.morales on July 22, 2016, 11:14:55 PM
This looks like a left over by Ed Sheeran and Benny produced by the Diplo crew, additional songwriting and Bieber vocals.
Just like Love Yourself.

I still think Bieber is a ghostwriter, coming from the Usher school.
I read and saw on interviews several times about Bieber "wanting to cut the record". That suggest the song was already written in full and he wanted the song for him.
Title: Re: Justin Bieber - Purpose with single "Sorry" (Justin Tranter)
Post by: turnaround on September 30, 2016, 01:21:36 PM
The new Craig David song 16 sounds kind of familiar.

https://open.spotify.com/track/1Jmlvnd4UYD3IrW4kc2TyT


Jordan Ware
Craig David
Pooh Bear
Mark Hill
Justin Bieber
Thomas Pentz
Karl Brutus
Sonny Moore
Title: Re: Justin Bieber - Purpose with single "Sorry" (Justin Tranter)
Post by: j.fco.morales on September 30, 2016, 06:44:06 PM
The new Craig David song 16 sounds kind of familiar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0By6i82azk

Last year, Craig was invited to a radio show and he freestyled over the Where Are U Now track.
The video became viral and brought lots of attention, after being extremely popular in the early 2000s, he was a hit and miss career.

He's an amazing singer, did amazing music back in the day but he's kind of lost artistically nowadays.

That's it.
Title: Re: Justin Bieber - Purpose with single "Sorry" (Justin Tranter)
Post by: bugmenot on January 15, 2017, 01:55:42 PM
In ASCAP (https://mobile.ascap.com/aceclient/AceWeb/#ace/search/workID/886052083) I found Diplo's song called Sorry Version 2 written with Dr. Luke and Circut.

One reddit user posted it on meganz, but it was removed...

Title: Re: Justin Bieber - Purpose with single "Sorry" (Justin Tranter)
Post by: j.fco.morales on January 16, 2017, 02:51:14 AM
Same song, different approach.
Title: Re: Justin Bieber - Purpose with single "Sorry" (Justin Tranter)
Post by: j.fco.morales on March 13, 2017, 05:32:17 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0FylXxDGII&feature=share

Ed Sheerans "covers" (wink included) Love Yourself.
Title: Re: Justin Bieber - Purpose with single "Sorry" (Justin Tranter)
Post by: j.fco.morales on August 17, 2017, 07:08:49 PM
Justin Bieber & BloodPop - Friends

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctfLLsD84vk

Written by Julia Michaels and Justin Tranter.
Title: Re: Justin Bieber - Purpose with single "Sorry" (Justin Tranter)
Post by: turnaround on August 17, 2017, 11:41:55 PM
I think at this point he could release any old trash and would chart with it. But he really delivers anyway and Justin and Julia just have perfectly taylored stuff.
Title: Re: Justin Bieber - Purpose with single "Sorry" (Justin Tranter)
Post by: j.fco.morales on August 18, 2017, 11:16:46 PM
It's a bit bland to me, actually.