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Ariana Grande - No Tears Left To Cry (Ilya, Savan Kotecha)

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Offline AlexanderLaBrea

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Re: Ariana Grande - No Tears Left To Cry (Ilya, Savan Kotecha)
« Reply #60 on: September 13, 2018, 05:40:39 PM »
"Real" guitar solos are improvised, not written. As e.g. van Halen's solo in Beat It.

Yes, indeed that one is, which is why i said ”most”. Because guitar solos are generally quite like vocal melodies. You improvise over the music. Then you piece the best parts  together. Sometimes its pretty close to the improv, sometimes it takes a lot of working out.

Saying that only improvised solos are ”real” solos is a big middle finger to most, if not pretty much all (including EVH) of the biggest guitar players. And in the case of a pop production like the others mentioned. Zero chance its a one take improv.

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Re: Ariana Grande - No Tears Left To Cry (Ilya, Savan Kotecha)
« Reply #61 on: November 04, 2018, 05:05:18 AM »


Composer: Michael Foster, Tommy Brown, Ariana Grande, Charles Anderson, Tayla Parx & Victoria Monet
Producer: Tommy Brown, Charles Anderson & Michael Foster
Vocal Producer: Ariana Grande & Victoria Monet
Mixer: Serban Ghenea
Assistant Mixer: John Hanes
Background Vocals: Victoria Monet
Recording Engineer: Billy Hickey & Brendan Morawski
Assistant Recording Engineer: Sean Klein
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Re: Ariana Grande - No Tears Left To Cry (Ilya, Savan Kotecha)
« Reply #62 on: November 04, 2018, 12:05:57 PM »
She works very fast, damn. I wonder if she will come back to Max for her next album.

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Re: Ariana Grande - No Tears Left To Cry (Ilya, Savan Kotecha)
« Reply #63 on: November 05, 2018, 05:15:42 AM »
It’s 12 tracks. Pretty sure it’s produced entirely by the Tommy Brown / Victoria Monét camp.

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Re: Ariana Grande - No Tears Left To Cry (Ilya, Savan Kotecha)
« Reply #64 on: November 06, 2018, 11:45:19 AM »
What really bothers me about NTLTC: The cut off reverb tail of the "oh yeah" between pickin' it up and I'm lovin'. It sounds so unwanted.
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Re: Ariana Grande - No Tears Left To Cry (Ilya, Savan Kotecha)
« Reply #65 on: November 06, 2018, 02:14:17 PM »
What really bothers me about NTLTC: The cut off reverb tail of the "oh yeah" between pickin' it up and I'm lovin'. It sounds so unwanted.
The worst part is that it's everywhere in the song, including in the vocal intro that's in the music video.

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Re: Ariana Grande - No Tears Left To Cry (Ilya, Savan Kotecha)
« Reply #66 on: November 06, 2018, 06:20:06 PM »
The worst part is that it's everywhere in the song, including in the vocal intro that's in the music video.

Dang!!! I didn't notice it!!! It's awful!!!

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Re: Ariana Grande - No Tears Left To Cry (Ilya, Savan Kotecha)
« Reply #67 on: November 07, 2018, 11:32:56 PM »
The video for Breathin is out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kN0iD0pI3o0

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Re: Ariana Grande - No Tears Left To Cry (Ilya, Savan Kotecha)
« Reply #68 on: November 08, 2018, 03:11:25 AM »
Shouldn't i trust ASCAP?
It says that Breathin it's written by Max, Ilya, Savan and Ariana.

I wanted this song so bad to be written by Max lol

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Re: Ariana Grande - No Tears Left To Cry (Ilya, Savan Kotecha)
« Reply #69 on: November 08, 2018, 05:32:31 AM »
Shouldn't i trust ASCAP?
It says that Breathin it's written by Max, Ilya, Savan and Ariana.

I wanted this song so bad to be written by Max lol

And Peter Svensson.

iTunes says Ariana Grande, Savan Kotecha, Ilya Salmanzadeh, Max Martin, Peter Svensson.

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Re: Ariana Grande - No Tears Left To Cry (Ilya, Savan Kotecha)
« Reply #70 on: November 08, 2018, 02:26:38 PM »
And Peter Svensson.

iTunes says Ariana Grande, Savan Kotecha, Ilya Salmanzadeh, Max Martin, Peter Svensson.

I know, the point is that depending on the source the credits change. ASCAP doesn't list Peter, Spotify and Tidal doesn't list Max and Qobuz lists all five. I hate inconsistency.

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Re: Ariana Grande - No Tears Left To Cry (Ilya, Savan Kotecha)
« Reply #71 on: November 08, 2018, 09:47:02 PM »
I know, the point is that depending on the source the credits change. ASCAP doesn't list Peter, Spotify and Tidal doesn't list Max and Qobuz lists all five. I hate inconsistency.

Well, Peter is mainly a guitarist and there are not many guitarist on the Cousins... even though Peter is not an official member.

But you actually can tell who produced each track based on the way it sounds.

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Re: Ariana Grande - No Tears Left To Cry (Ilya, Savan Kotecha)
« Reply #72 on: November 09, 2018, 12:46:16 AM »
Well, Peter is mainly a guitarist and there are not many guitarist on the Cousins... even though Peter is not an official member.

But you actually can tell who produced each track based on the way it sounds.

I know that with time and listening to many different songs of the same producer you can figure out who's doing each part (kinda), but credits are a way to reinforce what I'm hearing, and if the credits ain't right I can't confirm that.

The thing with Peter is easier to tell than Max, because I'm under the impression that the topline that Max does it's very similar than all of the Wolf Cousin's members (after all, they kinda took it up from Max initially I think) and now I don't really know when a song is made by Max or if it just channels max's style.

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Re: Ariana Grande - No Tears Left To Cry (Ilya, Savan Kotecha)
« Reply #73 on: November 12, 2018, 02:57:46 AM »
https://www.instagram.com/p/BqD0jZGgf4H/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet

And on her IG story she’s in the studio with Savan so maybe more Max / Wolf Cousins for her next album after all?

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Re: Ariana Grande - No Tears Left To Cry (Ilya, Savan Kotecha)
« Reply #74 on: November 12, 2018, 03:21:44 AM »
https://www.instagram.com/p/BqD0jZGgf4H/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet

And on her IG story she’s in the studio with Savan so maybe more Max / Wolf Cousins for her next album after all?
And maybe a collab with Victoria Monét