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Title: Ava Max debut album 'Heaven & Hell'
Post by: klukan on September 21, 2020, 10:07:59 AM
Hey all,

Just wanna throw in a recommendation for Ava Max' debut album 'Heaven & Hell'. Executively produced by Cirkut.

Every Cheiron fan should love these songs - so inspired by Swedish melodies and Ace Of Base-styled productions:
https://open.spotify.com/album/6B1U2tJse7tS9Yi4VJjZAA?si=2FsJROJPQWGilTB1Uk0Fqg (https://open.spotify.com/album/6B1U2tJse7tS9Yi4VJjZAA?si=2FsJROJPQWGilTB1Uk0Fqg)

Good to see a 'pure pop' album being released in 2020! ;D

P.S. There are also credits by Shellback and The Struts ('Call Me Tonight') and RedOne ('Kings & Queens')
Title: Re: Ava Max debut album 'Heaven & Hell'
Post by: Snipes3000 on September 21, 2020, 10:51:46 AM
What is pure pop in your opinion? Are there more pure pop albums released in 2020 by the major labels you think? Not to mock you, serious questions.
Title: Re: Ava Max debut album 'Heaven & Hell'
Post by: klukan on September 21, 2020, 11:12:39 AM
What is pure pop in your opinion? Are there more pure pop albums released in 2020 by the major labels you think? Not to mock you, serious questions.

Good question.

No, the opposite. The market right now is dominated by hiphop/rap, trap and 808-based beats (which is cool because there is a time for every sound), but for Cheiron pop lovers like most people in this forum the current market lacks 'real' melodic pop songs.

If you look at the Billboard Hot 100 Top 10 this week the only song that falls under this category is 'Blinding Lights' by The Weeknd (by Max, funny enough) and that is even a melodic pop song disguised as a cool, retro, 80's electro-pop song.

'Pure pop' is an expression that I've seen used many times in this forum and IMO it is a term covering melodic, catchy pop songs - maybe even glossy, bubblegum-ish pop songs and productions, which are generally not regarded as 'cool' in this day and age.

So my point is that the Ava Max album stands out in 2020, because it is a whole album with these types of 'cheesy' pop songs, which are rare these days.
Title: Re: Ava Max debut album 'Heaven & Hell'
Post by: j.fco.morales on September 21, 2020, 09:45:52 PM
Well, I think we're not very genre orientated in the forum.

And I heard the album and sounds really good but it's not my cup of tea.
Title: Re: Ava Max debut album 'Heaven & Hell'
Post by: nanofives on September 22, 2020, 03:25:02 AM
Pure pop is kinda subjective, but the album is fire, all songs are bangers, I'm really glad for Cirkut for collaborating with tons of new people, especially shellback and the struts which is something max didn't explore with him when he was standing at Dr. Luke's shadow. And a full album without him also says a lot about how they ended their 6/7 years of collaboration. Or maybe I'm just reading too much into it and they got tired of collaborating with each other.
Title: Re: Ava Max debut album 'Heaven & Hell'
Post by: Feelgoodlies on September 29, 2020, 08:19:46 PM
I definitely think it's a good pop record especially in this era where we barely hear pop music. She saved 2020 for me.
Title: Re: Ava Max debut album 'Heaven & Hell'
Post by: bugmenot on September 29, 2020, 08:49:52 PM
I see you define a term (eg. pure pop) by describing what this term is not. Which is an awful and easy way to fall into logical fallacy.
Title: Re: Ava Max debut album 'Heaven & Hell'
Post by: Snipes3000 on September 29, 2020, 10:32:19 PM
I don't like the album. But I don't care about my own opinion. What pop is is ALWAYS determined by the youngsters, never by people passed their mid twenties (like me). Their taste becomes irrelevant for major labels to capitalise on and their taste is often fixed to the standards of their own era. Would the youngsters like this Ava Max stuff? I don't think so. The album lacks so much progressions..... resolving..... in the chorus. The chorus is not a 'world on its own'. Anyone here thinking that this music is exactly what the youngsters would want at this time?
Title: Re: Ava Max debut album 'Heaven & Hell'
Post by: nanofives on September 30, 2020, 03:01:00 AM
The Cirkut formula and Ava's lyrics can be stripped down to a very simple record. It also shows how little personality she has.
I don't think new generations differs from old generations, I see this album as a Femme Fatale kind of thing, where the concept is weak but overall it's singles-driven. I've seen many critics defining the album as "manufactured pop" which at some point might be another way of saying "pure pop", and this is not something new, even less something from this era. I can compare this to other simple albums like Katy Perry's teenage dream, or Carly Rae Jepsen's Kiss.
She really got away with the idea of dividing the album in two parts, which is a very basic concept that I think it's rushed while she was recording the songs, maybe that's why she leave songs out of the tracklist that were almost identical in formula to the ones that made to the album, but critics apparently loved that.
The critics thing it's interesting because the album is very similar to Katy Perry's smile which is more insightful at some points in my opinion, but critics didn't like as much, but Ava got quite good ones despite the lack of personality everyone mentions.
In the end, I just keep seeing this as an opportunity for Cirkut to grow out of the Luke's formula. He's not there yet, but it's a start.
Title: Re: Ava Max debut album 'Heaven & Hell'
Post by: j.fco.morales on September 30, 2020, 07:47:51 AM
I see this album as a Femme Fatale kind of thing, where the concept is weak but overall it's singles-driven.

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT! So disrespectful!
Femme Fatale is a FANTASTIC RECORD.

In the end, I just keep seeing this as an opportunity for Cirkut to grow out of the Luke's formula. He's not there yet, but it's a start.

Yep, I totally agree with this. At first I thought Cirkut was Luke's ghost producer but after hearing Luke himself producing pop I realized he is great at programming, arranging, guitar arrangements and AMAZING ear for chord progressions. BUT I think he's more of an editor: he know what's needed and how to get it done.



Plus, I wonder why they didn't include this beautifully arranged song. It's a co write with Jon Bellion and his team and he's like HUGE now.
Title: Re: Ava Max debut album 'Heaven & Hell'
Post by: Snipes3000 on September 30, 2020, 11:50:25 AM
Why is Cirkut not resolving in the choruses like Max does? Why are his choruses not exploding? Max is known for his dynamics, and Cirkut really doesn't capitalize on the effects of dynamics. At the same time Luke has also become much subtler on dynamics. It might be a trend currently.

But do try to embrace the idea that new generations DO differ from old generations. Otherwise we would all embrace the same music all the time, but music moves in cycles you know. Realising that is a great step ahead to determining the right style of pop at this very moment, in case you are into making pop yourself. I mean, I could make Cheiron flavour music today but the kids (in terms of the mass) won't like it, cause they are used to another type of topline. The motto is taste is what the ear expects to hear and what it's used to hear.
Title: Re: Ava Max debut album 'Heaven & Hell'
Post by: j.fco.morales on September 30, 2020, 07:17:53 PM
Why is Cirkut not resolving in the choruses like Max does? Why are his choruses not exploding? Max is known for his dynamics, and Cirkut really doesn't capitalize on the effects of dynamics. At the same time Luke has also become much subtler on dynamics. It might be a trend currently.

But do try to embrace the idea that new generations DO differ from old generations. Otherwise we would all embrace the same music all the time, but music moves in cycles you know. Realising that is a great step ahead to determining the right style of pop at this very moment, in case you are into making pop yourself. I mean, I could make Cheiron flavour music today but the kids (in terms of the mass) won't like it, cause they are used to another type of topline. The motto is taste is what the ear expects to hear and what it's used to hear.

Nah, I don't think it's his fault. For example, his last hit was 2018's Girls Like You by Maroon 5, which doesn't have a big explosive chorus.
Probably his skills are more sound design orientated.

And I have to say, the Ava Max record sounds a bit dated, very 2010.

Title: Re: Ava Max debut album 'Heaven & Hell'
Post by: Snipes3000 on September 30, 2020, 07:54:38 PM
Yes sounds 2010, especially that RedOne songs which currently is the only song of the album on BB. Yeah, looks like he is more in the sound design.

Not even sure if Girls Like You was written by him. I vaguely remember that Akon & Tuinfort were involved in the making of the song and that they sold the song without getting the credits (ghostwriting). Akon's voice is in the chorus though (source: https://twitter.com/WeissSound/status/1080955878008750082?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)

Title: Re: Ava Max debut album 'Heaven & Hell'
Post by: nanofives on September 30, 2020, 10:48:19 PM
But do try to embrace the idea that new generations DO differ from old generations. Otherwise we would all embrace the same music all the time, but music moves in cycles you know. Realising that is a great step ahead to determining the right style of pop at this very moment, in case you are into making pop yourself. I mean, I could make Cheiron flavour music today but the kids (in terms of the mass) won't like it, cause they are used to another type of topline. The motto is taste is what the ear expects to hear and what it's used to hear.

You're right, I think the sound of today is different on "pop music", but it's not the case with Ava Max and Cirkut. They both did outdated pop with current generation of collaborators. I think Madison Love is doing a very good job in the industry, the same with Lotus IV, specially for Charli XCX, but in this album it's not something new.

I think right now the current generation is leaning more to the sound Max crafted with The Weeknd last year, more 80's synthpop driven and still more hip-hop driven, Ava it's not even close in none of them, maaaaaaaaybe a little bit of nostalgia on the sound of Torn, but Torn itself it's a weird song that even Ava didn't know where it could fit, hence why it's not on either category.
Title: Re: Ava Max debut album 'Heaven & Hell'
Post by: Snipes3000 on September 30, 2020, 11:06:23 PM
I won't open up on my thoughts of the current trends as these things change so fast. You're right about the hiphop driven stuff if we compare the topline style of now compared to say cheiron 90's. It's much quicker, much rappier. But we're in the doldrums now. Traditionally, it is a phase of the music cycle in which nostalgia kind of makes a comeback (read interviews by Guy Zapoleon to know more about this subject). Dua Lipa and the Weeknd are examples, just like the arguably flopped Stuck with you ariana song with JB (yes i know it was at BB #1). We won't reach the new phase until something completely new will take over. What will it be? Lot of the young new writers are into indie pop/rock. Who knows we get a revival of the max and luke rock era.

I will check out that Madison Love and things u mentioned.
Title: Re: Ava Max debut album 'Heaven & Hell'
Post by: j.fco.morales on October 01, 2020, 01:37:46 AM
Yes sounds 2010, especially that RedOne songs which currently is the only song of the album on BB. Yeah, looks like he is more in the sound design.

Not even sure if Girls Like You was written by him. I vaguely remember that Akon & Tuinfort were involved in the making of the song and that they sold the song without getting the credits (ghostwriting). Akon's voice is in the chorus though (source: https://twitter.com/WeissSound/status/1080955878008750082?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)

Maroon 5   Girls Like You
Edited By [Digital] – Noah "Mailbox" Passovoy
Engineer – Eric Eylands, Gian Stone, Noah "Mailbox" Passovoy
Engineer [Assistant] – Eric Eylands
Engineer [For Mix] – John Hanes
Guitar – Adam Levine, Jason Evigan
Keyboards, Producer, Programmed By – Cirkut, Jason Evigan
Mixed By – Serban Ghenea
Producer [Vocals] – Cirkut, Gian Stone, Jason Evigan
Vocals – Adam Levine
Vocals [Additional] – Cirkut, Gian Stone, Jacob Kasher Hindlin, Jason Evigan, Noah "Mailbox" Passovoy, Victoria Evigan
Written-By – Adam Levine, Starrah, Jason Evigan, Henry Walter, Gian Stone

Well, we can conclude many things. I think these type of records are based on the artist and from my point of view the collaborators are there to help with the artist's vision.
And she's in development... so.

Akon is not on the credits -checked those on the booklet- but I have to agree that sounds very much like Akon's style.
Honestly, I'm not sure if people "sell" the songs without getting proper pay or royalties. People pitch songs when the artist doesn't write... and I mean, if you're an established songwriter/producer why would you accept an advance when you can get money from the publishing, since the song is getting a proper release with a proper marketing strategy involved pushing it? Remember it's an established worldwide act signed to a major label.

I understand your point about "selling the song" but it doesn't make sense since now more than ever, songwriters and producers are fighting for fair royalties and pushing the Music Modernization Act.
Title: Re: Ava Max debut album 'Heaven & Hell'
Post by: Snipes3000 on October 01, 2020, 10:33:57 AM
You never know what is gonna be a hit. A major label pushing does not always mean succcess. Even for them it has been hard and it is often said that what a hit is happens because of the right circumstances rather than purely the song itself. Sometimes it's better to take say 100k to ghostwrite than to depend on sales since most songs don't make money at all. If the label offers 100k (they might do that when they have confidence in commercial success) or songwriting credits and let your money depend on the sale, then I can understand that sometimes a writer would choose for the 100k. The Akon & Tuinfort duo does not release that many hit songs a year for them to have enough money to always claim songwriting credits. But these are all speculations and this is the only song I came across from recent years that has a suspicion of being (partly) ghostwritten.
Title: Re: Ava Max debut album 'Heaven & Hell'
Post by: nanofives on October 01, 2020, 03:28:16 PM
Do Akon and Giorgio still collaborating? I haven't seen any of them since... maybe 2012, just after Giorgio started collaborating with David Guetta for most of his songs.

This is a question out of ignorance: If you start a song by getting a scrapped demo from another writer, and it turned out to be nothing like the original, do the original writers need to be credited?
Title: Re: Ava Max debut album 'Heaven & Hell'
Post by: j.fco.morales on October 01, 2020, 09:33:50 PM
You never know what is gonna be a hit. A major label pushing does not always mean succcess. Even for them it has been hard and it is often said that what a hit is happens because of the right circumstances rather than purely the song itself. Sometimes it's better to take say 100k to ghostwrite than to depend on sales since most songs don't make money at all. If the label offers 100k (they might do that when they have confidence in commercial success) or songwriting credits and let your money depend on the sale, then I can understand that sometimes a writer would choose for the 100k. The Akon & Tuinfort duo does not release that many hit songs a year for them to have enough money to always claim songwriting credits. But these are all speculations and this is the only song I came across from recent years that has a suspicion of being (partly) ghostwritten.

I totally agree with you about not knowing when something could be a huge hit but I guess you wish the record would be big it every time you write a song.
And publishing is the real deal. To get a cut by an established artist is a huge thing for any songwriter/producer, even if you're not at the peak of your career.
Now management companies are focused on producers rather than artists: producers make more money publishing wise not spending a dime on marketing, that's what artists do.

For example: Mariah allegedly made over US $600k last year for ONE song. Include all the platforms, radio, syncs, etc.
https://www.out.com/music/2019/12/16/mariah-careys-all-i-want-christmas-you-finally-hit-1
Title: Re: Ava Max debut album 'Heaven & Hell'
Post by: *Sabine* on October 02, 2020, 06:18:58 PM
I was actually checking here to see if you guys were talking about this album! I've had it on heavy rotation since its release and for me too, it saved 2020 as far as pop music is concerned! It shows Cirkut is a brilliant producer, even without Luke or Max, almost every song on this record is a banger! Such a pleasure for a Max/ Cheiron/ 90's pop fan! Yeah, it is not so original, yeah some lyrics are cheesy but who cares???? You have great melodies, super produced vocals, groovy sounds, singalong and feelgood songs, a very nice and identifiable singer... I have no more to ask! It is so good!! Great to have a nice karaoke in your car! Album of the year, well done Ava MAX!!!!  ;D My favorite song is Shellback's co production Call me tonight. Salt, So Am I and Rumors are such ear candies too! I bet Dr Luke, Loctor Duke, Dyson Trax, Martin Sandberg, Martin White and Max Martin...well, the 2 of them and not 6 of them LOOOL love it too!! BLAST THE GOOD POP and SAVE 2020!!! :-*
Title: Re: Ava Max debut album 'Heaven & Hell'
Post by: backgammonfiend on October 04, 2020, 03:10:34 AM
lol i wanted more 2010 pop instead of 1986 pop in my life thank u very much

this easy AOTY for me, there's 12 bangers on here out of 15, you just don't see that kind of hit rate on pop albums anymore and there aren't any outright duds like Good In Bed... cirkut put the fire melodies on this tape and that's all that counts. melody is king

Please wmg drop the wave beats and not the 160 beats thanks 🙏
Title: Re: Ava Max debut album 'Heaven & Hell'
Post by: klukan on October 11, 2020, 07:39:40 PM
I was actually checking here to see if you guys were talking about this album! I've had it on heavy rotation since its release and for me too, it saved 2020 as far as pop music is concerned! It shows Cirkut is a brilliant producer, even without Luke or Max, almost every song on this record is a banger! Such a pleasure for a Max/ Cheiron/ 90's pop fan! Yeah, it is not so original, yeah some lyrics are cheesy but who cares???? You have great melodies, super produced vocals, groovy sounds, singalong and feelgood songs, a very nice and identifiable singer... I have no more to ask! It is so good!! Great to have a nice karaoke in your car! Album of the year, well done Ava MAX!!!!  ;D My favorite song is Shellback's co production Call me tonight. Salt, So Am I and Rumors are such ear candies too! I bet Dr Luke, Loctor Duke, Dyson Trax, Martin Sandberg, Martin White and Max Martin...well, the 2 of them and not 6 of them LOOOL love it too!! BLAST THE GOOD POP and SAVE 2020!!! :-*

Totally agree to this! And that’s why I made this post: Because I believed that every Cheiron/90’s pop fan would love this album!

However, I see some good discussions in here and I do agree that the album does not sound current (and it’s probably more 2010 than 2020), but that’s not the point. This is for pop music lovers who still crave melodic, catchy pop songs (and I think there are more of them than you would think). You can argue that the sound is not up-to-date, but you can’t mess with the productions: They are BANGING, pop perfection, the melodies are catchy-as-hell earworms and the vocal arrangements are ON POINT!!
I agree that Ava Max is more of an old-school pop star: A pretty face singing some well-crafted pop songs (that she’s been co-writing, though), which is not the typical cool 2020-style pop star. However, to me it’s all about the songs ! And when that is said, I think they’ve done an ok job to make Ava Max distinct from the rest of the pop star field (with the haircut thing, the “heaven&hell”/feminist concept - even though it’s corny and done before, I know).

P.S. Fun fact with the ‘Girls Like You’ / Akon story. It totally makes sense and I‘m sure it’s true.
Title: Re: Ava Max debut album 'Heaven & Hell'
Post by: Feelgoodlies on November 02, 2020, 09:00:52 PM
I definitely think it's a good pop record in this day and age. As a cheiron fan I really thought she recreated that cheiron-esque taste of music I've always loved, and quite frankly I didn't expect her to release a full album of uptempo songs that are all listenable and catchy. She literally saved 2020 for me.
Title: Re: Ava Max debut album 'Heaven & Hell'
Post by: nanofives on November 20, 2020, 06:02:08 AM
I like the song but... Why? Did she recorded it last month and wanted to add it on a project that has already an structure just to break it?
I've seen the same thing with tove lo's sunshine kitty where she uses a 40 second track as an intro and then she added 4 more new songs before that.
Title: Re: Ava Max debut album 'Heaven & Hell'
Post by: Feelgoodlies on November 21, 2020, 06:03:23 PM
I like the song but... Why? Did she recorded it last month and wanted to add it on a project that has already an structure just to break it?
I've seen the same thing with tove lo's sunshine kitty where she uses a 40 second track as an intro and then she added 4 more new songs before that.
idk why she released a song that samples this song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRvGZffXhfk&ab_channel=GattikusHoward (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRvGZffXhfk&ab_channel=GattikusHoward) and her label is a mess when it comes to releases!!
Title: Re: Ava Max debut album 'Heaven & Hell'
Post by: Dagge on December 13, 2020, 06:19:20 PM
Some interesting thoughts here. Generally speaking, these regularly repeated music taste cycles can be divided into a melodic pop cycle like exCheiron era and melody-less era with mostly rap/hip hop songs. Based on the past, melodic cycles usually last longer.

What's different is an arrangement, production, and a way of dressing those melodic or non-melodic songs. Many people regularly underestimate how hard it is to build modern good sounding production. Because tools never change, they mostly use the same sound equipment as 30 years ago while rules are mostly the same. And you cannot invent anything remarkably new that wasn't exploited already before. Re this Max once said that their songs would sound silly if not dressed in a good production. But people like Max will always be in demand because melody never gets out of fashion if only for the slow tempo hit ballads that are present in both cycles.

Ava is ok but lacks a more defined public character. Her voice sound is ok (thanks to Serban Ghenea) although not better or more distinctive than other divas. As someone already mentioned arrangement is not quite close to Max, no dynamic, no clever surprises, the song goes on until the end and that's it. Melodies are good, maybe a bit too sugarcoated

But I have respect for people like @Sabine who are eagerly waiting for every new melodic, nice produced pop song. They ensure that this pop industry will never die. What makes me wonder is how are they as non-professionals able to recognize 'insider' things that go on in a pop song, things that theoretically only professionals should spot (and understand).
Title: Re: Ava Max debut album 'Heaven & Hell'
Post by: j.fco.morales on December 17, 2020, 06:53:58 PM
I absolutely agree with you Dagge.

Lack of personality, it's a little bit meh. There's a lot of potential but needs some development.
In the other hand, we have other people like Allie X with LOTS of charisma but not wanting to go deep into a sugar coated pop territory.
Title: Re: Ava Max debut album 'Heaven & Hell'
Post by: turnaround on March 20, 2021, 11:22:37 AM
Rami was in the studio with Ava and Cirkut and Aldae Long!

https://www.instagram.com/p/CMnGEYiASYG/
Title: Re: Ava Max debut album 'Heaven & Hell'
Post by: Alaksa7 on April 03, 2021, 04:56:29 PM
Ich muss mir dieses Album anhören. Danke für die Updates.
Title: Re: Ava Max debut album 'Heaven & Hell'
Post by: backgammonfiend on April 30, 2021, 09:49:28 PM
wild thing highkey song of the year

Call me when max manages to write a melody as good as this again... this easily washed all those after hours singles and whatever else he's written in the last 3 years too
Title: Re: Ava Max debut album 'Heaven & Hell'
Post by: Dagge on June 09, 2021, 02:42:16 PM
Good question.

No, the opposite. The market right now is dominated by hiphop/rap, trap and 808-based beats (which is cool because there is a time for every sound), but for Cheiron pop lovers like most people in this forum the current market lacks 'real' melodic pop songs.

If you look at the Billboard Hot 100 Top 10 this week the only song that falls under this category is 'Blinding Lights' by The Weeknd (by Max, funny enough) and that is even a melodic pop song disguised as a cool, retro, 80's electro-pop song.

'Pure pop' is an expression that I've seen used many times in this forum and IMO it is a term covering melodic, catchy pop songs - maybe even glossy, bubblegum-ish pop songs and productions, which are generally not regarded as 'cool' in this day and age.

So my point is that the Ava Max album stands out in 2020, because it is a whole album with these types of 'cheesy' pop songs, which are rare these days.

Strong melody never gets out of fashion, only dressing changes. That's what Max is good at, turning not so strong song and production like Weekn'd one you mentioned into a hit. The only thing that sets that song apart from the average is the strong melody in the pre-chorus and chorus.

So, pop is strong melody + specific 'pop' dressing. Not more not less.
Title: Re: Ava Max debut album 'Heaven & Hell'
Post by: melodicmoonlight on June 10, 2021, 04:41:41 AM
Just listened to the Dolby Atmos mix of this on Apple Music, sound design is immaculate! Cirkut is the master of this type of production.

Where do you find that mix? Can’t find it on AM
Title: Re: Ava Max debut album 'Heaven & Hell'
Post by: melodicmoonlight on June 10, 2021, 11:22:42 PM
That's strange 'cause it's the only version of the song I can find on my Apple Music! I had to turn the Dolby Atmos setting to "Always On" in the Music settings of my phone for the files to play through the Atmos feature, if that helps.

Hmm, ok I'll have to play around with that feature. Thanks!
Title: Re: Ava Max debut album 'Heaven & Hell'
Post by: j.fco.morales on June 12, 2021, 04:55:48 AM
Have you seen the video where the interviewer ask her about her favourite Elton John song and she doesn't know any.

Funny AF: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCYxMffS4MA
Title: Re: Ava Max debut album 'Heaven & Hell'
Post by: j.fco.morales on July 27, 2021, 01:12:21 AM
Where can I find the leaks?
Title: Re: Ava Max debut album 'Heaven & Hell'
Post by: melodicmoonlight on July 27, 2021, 03:39:05 AM
Where can I find the leaks?

I use dbree.org. Just search for it there
Title: Re: Ava Max debut album 'Heaven & Hell'
Post by: j.fco.morales on July 27, 2021, 05:44:30 AM
This is the second time they borrow something from ABBA.
Title: Re: Ava Max debut album 'Heaven & Hell'
Post by: melodicmoonlight on July 27, 2021, 06:20:57 AM
This is the second time they borrow something from ABBA.

That's her shtick. She's a throwback/samples pop star, at least for now.

I still think My Head & My Heart is one of her best songs ever and a masterful use of the ATC sample.
Title: Re: Ava Max debut album 'Heaven & Hell'
Post by: B Steady on September 11, 2021, 12:40:52 AM
This is the second time they borrow something from ABBA.

Then again, every pop artist does ;)

Have you seen the video where the interviewer ask her about her favourite Elton John song and she doesn't know any.

Funny AF: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCYxMffS4MA

Rather embarrassing; that was really awkward to watch.
Title: Re: Ava Max debut album 'Heaven & Hell'
Post by: Dagge on October 04, 2021, 12:18:33 AM
Then again, every pop artist does ;)

Rather embarrassing; that was really awkward to watch.

While ABBA themselves borrowed from classic composers :)
Title: Re: Ava Max debut album 'Heaven & Hell'
Post by: backgammonfiend on October 04, 2021, 12:22:21 AM
here's a link for wild thing OG file if you been under a rock and haven't heard the frontrunner for song of the decade

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/750173188771807303/890000427670720533/Wild_Thing.wav

i CANNOT believe they put out so am i when they had this in the tank, fucking writers payola you hate to see it
Title: Re: Ava Max debut album 'Heaven & Hell'
Post by: melodicmoonlight on October 04, 2021, 04:20:09 AM
here's a link for wild thing OG file if you been under a rock and haven't heard the frontrunner for song of the decade

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/750173188771807303/890000427670720533/Wild_Thing.wav

i CANNOT believe they put out so am i when they had this in the tank, fucking writers payola you hate to see it

Thanks for posting the original file!

Damn, this song slaps. It’s like a poppier Sweet But Psycho. Such an ear worm