http://perezhilton.com/topics/personally_perez/
After Megan and Kelly, now the 3rd artist who doesnt wanna work with Max (and Luke) again. Wonder what Pink's gonna do...
wow, thanks hits for posting this link!
The Veronicas have no intention of working with Max again! I can hardly believe it, almost all their success is due to 4Ever and Everything I'm Not!
Why, I wonder?
I don't want to be rude as I don't know the whole situation, but it's like these popstars are forgetting that we like them because of their songs! being pretty and having a good voice is not enough!
Again, their loss!
I wonder if they'll sing and release that song they wrote with Andreas Carlsson?
All this talk of Max recycling is getting ridiculous! Most songwriters have a certain style they keep to eg Diane Warren! and many others! I don't think there's anything wrong with that! well I'm going to the Pink concert tonight so I gotta go.
If I were Max I would be feel pretty USED, I think.
Of course, he gets good money, and basically he shouldn't even bother what anyone says, as he doesn't even need to work anymore but still it all comes across pretty unthankful by the artists.
But the fans will decide, and Pinks latest success shows what they want.
I think megan,kelly and now the veronicas are DRUNK!!!! :D
If she does't wanna work with him...
I Can Work with him? ^^
Deep down all these artists know that without Max and co they would be nothing.
Quote from: "ITS ALIVE"Deep down all these artists know that without Max and co they would be nothing.
i agree its so right........... :lol:
Come on guys, I'm also a big Max fan, thats why I am here. But especially with the Veronicas and Pink thing he crossed the line. They (max and luke) basically took the song they wrote for the Veronicas and then used it again for Pink. Max should feel used? For what? If I'd be the Veronicas I'd feel used. Imagine you are a new act, get to work with this hot shot producer, he writes and produces this song for you, and a year after releasing it, you hear the same exact song on the radio, just sung by a different artist and with different lyrics. Who is feeling used, or betrayed here?
I dont want to sound rude, but we need to stop bashing artists for turning their back on Max. No SANE artist would stop working with a great songwriter for no reason. If you have a great (working) relationship with somebody, as Max had with BSB, NSYNC, Britney (and lots of other artists), you keep working with that person. You dont stop for no reason.
And yes, songwriters have a certain style. But before the "4ever / U+Ur Hand / Tap That" thing, I have never heard 3 Max songs that sounded THAT alike. Never. Again, I think he crossed the line, and obviously all those artists feel the same way.
Quote from: "hits"Come on guys, I'm also a big Max fan, thats why I am here. But especially with the Veronicas and Pink thing he crossed the line. They (max and luke) basically took the song they wrote for the Veronicas and then used it again for Pink. Max should feel used? For what? If I'd be the Veronicas I'd feel used. Imagine you are a new act, get to work with this hot shot producer, he writes and produces this song for you, and a year after releasing it, you hear the same exact song on the radio, just sung by a different artist and with different lyrics. Who is feeling used, or betrayed here?
I dont want to sound rude, but we need to stop bashing artists for turning their back on Max. No SANE artist would stop working with a great songwriter for no reason. If you have a great (working) relationship with somebody, as Max had with BSB, NSYNC, Britney (and lots of other artists), you keep working with that person. You dont stop for no reason.
And yes, songwriters have a certain style. But before the "4ever / U+Ur Hand / Tap That" thing, I have never heard 3 Max songs that sounded THAT alike. Never. Again, I think he crossed the line, and obviously all those artists feel the same way.
ok maybe i am stupid but 4ever and u+ur hand??? same song but diffrent lyrics...ok i am stupid, ok for u and ur hand and tap that but 4ever???....ok hits you knew best....sorry :twisted:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=QeAtvTej1sY
I haven't thought about it that way to be honest.
I can see your point.
But still they got a hit, and if he delivers them another one, I don't understand why the categorically say no already. They don't know if they need him again one day, and without "4ever" maybe their career would have gone completely different.
Here is another mash-up ;)
They sound fun.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_7m4nwAQF4
Quote from: "hits"http://perezhilton.com/topics/personally_perez/
First of all, that info is from
Perez Hilton!
Come on. *lol* Anyone heard of the German "BILD Zeitung"? :roll: :roll:
Quote from: "®a|ÑßØw÷¢H!LÐ"Quote from: "hits"http://perezhilton.com/topics/personally_perez/
First of all, that info is from Perez Hilton!
Come on. *lol* Anyone heard of the German "BILD Zeitung"? :roll: :roll:
Just wait for the Veronicas' new album, which will most likely come out in late 2007. You'll see that Perez didnt made this up.
You have a point Hits with the songs being alike, but as Turnaround says The Veronicas got a hit song. It's pretty hard for new artists to break through but they were able to with the song 4Ever, that song was a massive hit here in Australia as was Everything I'm Not. Their album here stayed in the Top 40 for over 1 year.
As for Pink, the Max Martin songs completely rejuvenated her career. As an example when Pink toured Australia after her album Try This she barely sold out 1 concert at Sydney Entertainment Centre, now with I'm Not Dead she's sold out 5 concerts and I'm Not Dead has stayed in the Top 10 for over 1 year here in Australia due to the singles Who Knew and U + Ur Hand.
For me, regardless of how similar the songs are, these artists got themselves hit songs and they should be extremely thankful for that.
I believe Perez on this one too, The Veronicas have often talked about the way they write songs and I can vaguely remember one interview that they said they were pushed by their record company to record with this producer/that producer (they didn't mention names), so maybe there's a bitterness there.
Quote from: "hits"Just wait for the Veronicas' new album, which will most likely come out in late 2007. You'll see that Perez didnt made this up.
I wasn't saying they will record with Max Martin.
I just posted my opinion about perezhilton.com.
If you compare the songs of any prolific pop songwriter stuff is going to start sounding similar. There are only so many chords.
Quote from: "ITS ALIVE"If you compare the songs of any prolific pop songwriter stuff is going to start sounding similar. There are only so many chords.
Of course, but a chord (pattern) doesnt make up a song. Single notes (= the melody) is what makes a song, and there are million ways of putting together various notes (= creating a melody). And no, I do not hear any similarities between any former Max songs. Before he started doing Rock/Pop, all his songs sounded different. Or can you name a Britney and BSB song that sounds alike, I mean, "4ever / U+Ur Hand" alike? I cant.
YES, they should be grateful for Max helping them.. BUT, wouldnt you feel ridiculed if you were them? Just imagine the scenario I already described above. Your album has been out for a couple months, and all of the sudden Pink brings out a single, and it sounds.. well.. exactly like the single YOU released not so long ago. That's like the producer you worked with ridiculing you PUBLICLY. Him screwing you over, and you not having the slightest bit of control over the situation. At least thats how I'd feel. And I'm sure The Veronicas (and also Pink) felt the same way, imagining that they take pride in what they do and stand for.
And I am glad that it's like that. I dont want a music industry where a producer takes one song, makes 2 (almost 3, with the Megan "Tap That" song) singles out of it, gets paid a shitload of cash for it, and everyone pretends like its the most normal thing in the world.
Quote from: "Rebecca"You have a point Hits with the songs being alike, but as Turnaround says The Veronicas got a hit song. It's pretty hard for new artists to break through but they were able to with the song 4Ever, that song was a massive hit here in Australia as was Everything I'm Not. Their album here stayed in the Top 40 for over 1 year.
As for Pink, the Max Martin songs completely rejuvenated her career. As an example when Pink toured Australia after her album Try This she barely sold out 1 concert at Sydney Entertainment Centre, now with I'm Not Dead she's sold out 5 concerts and I'm Not Dead has stayed in the Top 10 for over 1 year here in Australia due to the singles Who Knew and U + Ur Hand.
For me, regardless of how similar the songs are, these artists got themselves hit songs and they should be extremely thankful for that.
I believe Perez on this one too, The Veronicas have often talked about the way they write songs and I can vaguely remember one interview that they said they were pushed by their record company to record with this producer/that producer (they didn't mention names), so maybe there's a bitterness there.
Rumors.......yes... Almost every song at shane ward album is written by our guys, lesleys album too..........And now The veronicas are recorded new songs with the maratone team later this year its true..And about Kelly Clarksson she dont want to work with max,rami or luke anymore and there she made a stupid mistake....All this is true....one guy from maratone told me this..... bye bye bye and dont belive in everything at the internet...
Quote from: "nicky26"Rumors.......yes... Almost every song at shane ward album is written by our guys, lesleys album too..........And now The veronicas are recorded new songs with the maratone team later this year its true..And about Kelly Clarksson she dont want to work with max,rami or luke anymore and there she made a stupid mistake....All this is true....one guy from maratone told me this..... bye bye bye and dont belive in everything at the internet...
Bulls... The Veronicas did not record any songs with Max for their new album. I can vouch for this. They did not went to Sweden!!!
It's so ridicoulos!!!! In his career max did always song very similar for more artist. The same arrangement,the same time(3:30)the same scheme with final chorus "rossiniano"
EX.I want it that way,as long as you love,quit playin games,shape of my heart.....all song written for BSB.
This song are very similar to......Until the time is through by Five
How will i know By Jessica
I need you By westlife
That's thye way it is By Celine Dion
If you want work with max you must know that max have this style and is possible that the song he write for you today next year probably will write with similar arrangement but different words for another artist.
It's only your choice!!!!! Do you want work with max for to have the certainty to become famous???? Take a risk!!!!!
Good 1 May to everyone :D
If Pink and The Veronicas were both national artists noone would have noticed.
But with Pink scoring a world hit this is a different situation.
But I still think that the Veronicas should feel MORE happy than annoyed.
People know that their song was there first, that the same guy wrote it (I am sure many people are aware of it)...
Somehow that's just business and now they are in a position to decide with whom they want to work for the next album.
There are still thousands of artists who would give anything to be able to work with Max, I am sure. :wink:
Quote from: "hits"YES, they should be grateful for Max helping them.. BUT, wouldnt you feel ridiculed if you were them? Just imagine the scenario I already described above. Your album has been out for a couple months, and all of the sudden Pink brings out a single, and it sounds.. well.. exactly like the single YOU released not so long ago. That's like the producer you worked with ridiculing you PUBLICLY. Him screwing you over, and you not having the slightest bit of control over the situation. At least thats how I'd feel. And I'm sure The Veronicas (and also Pink) felt the same way, imagining that they take pride in what they do and stand for.
And I am glad that it's like that. I dont want a music industry where a producer takes one song, makes 2 (almost 3, with the Megan "Tap That" song) singles out of it, gets paid a shitload of cash for it, and everyone pretends like its the most normal thing in the world.
No, I don't agree that they are ridiculed! or that the producer is screwing them over. I do not consider them to be exactly the same song, the music buyers obviously don't care because they have both been massive hits, so why should the artist? I don't understand this and am finding it extremely difficult to have sympathy for The Veronicas! or Pink is she was to complain. If this is all true and The Veronicas are annoyed then they are sounding like spoilt brats (previously I think they worked in a supermarket, but don't quote me on that).
Fine that you don't want 3 similar sounding songs released by different artists - that's your choice. For me these songs are excellent to me, I love them, I would be more than happy if 50 artists released similar songs by Max Martin. I can listen to these songs over and over and never be bored.
As for the Veronicas not having any control over the situation - well too bad! If they want complete control, well they can write every song themselves - music and lyrics with no help from professional songwriters and see how many hits they have then!
Quote from: "turnaround"If Pink and The Veronicas were both national artists noone would have noticed.
But with Pink scoring a worldhit this is a different situation.
But I still think that the Veronicas should feel MORE happy than annoyed.
People know that their song was there first, that the same guy wrote it (I am sure many people are aware of it)...
Somehow that's just business and now they are in a position to decide with whom they want to work for the next album.
There are still thousands of artists who would give anything to be able with Max, I am sure. :wink:
True!
geez I could talk about this topic forever, but i'll shut up for a while.
happy May 1 to everyone too!!
The Pink concert last night was fantastic and she got the biggest cheers from the audience when she sang U + Ur Hand. She should be very happy with that song, I really hope we don't hear her complaining.
Quote from: "hits"Quote from: "nicky26"Rumors.......yes... Almost every song at shane ward album is written by our guys, lesleys album too..........And now The veronicas are recorded new songs with the maratone team later this year its true..And about Kelly Clarksson she dont want to work with max,rami or luke anymore and there she made a stupid mistake....All this is true....one guy from maratone told me this..... bye bye bye and dont belive in everything at the internet...
Bulls... The Veronicas did not record any songs with Max for their new album. I can vouch for this. They did not went to Sweden!!!
OK so you say that Rami lie to me.....He said exactly this "going to work with Veronicas"
No Reb, don't shut up. It's so interesting to hear people's opinions.
And it's nice to hear different views.
Oh and great the audience enjoyed this Pink song especially! :D
Quote from: "Rebecca"Quote from: "hits"YES, they should be grateful for Max helping them.. BUT, wouldnt you feel ridiculed if you were them? Just imagine the scenario I already described above. Your album has been out for a couple months, and all of the sudden Pink brings out a single, and it sounds.. well.. exactly like the single YOU released not so long ago. That's like the producer you worked with ridiculing you PUBLICLY. Him screwing you over, and you not having the slightest bit of control over the situation. At least thats how I'd feel. And I'm sure The Veronicas (and also Pink) felt the same way, imagining that they take pride in what they do and stand for.
And I am glad that it's like that. I dont want a music industry where a producer takes one song, makes 2 (almost 3, with the Megan "Tap That" song) singles out of it, gets paid a shitload of cash for it, and everyone pretends like its the most normal thing in the world.
No, I don't agree that they are ridiculed! or that the producer is screwing them over. I do not consider them to be exactly the same song, the music buyers obviously don't care because they have both been massive hits, so why should the artist? I don't understand this and am finding it extremely difficult to have sympathy for The Veronicas! or Pink is she was to complain. If this is all true and The Veronicas are annoyed then they are sounding like spoilt brats (previously I think they worked in a supermarket, but don't quote me on that).
Fine that you don't want 3 similar sounding songs released by different artists - that's your choice. For me these songs are excellent to me, I love them, I would be more than happy if 50 artists released similar songs by Max Martin. I can listen to these songs over and over and never be bored.
I could not say it better Rebecca "thanks"
Quote from: "Rebecca"As for the Veronicas not having any control over the situation - well too bad! If they want complete control, well they can write every song themselves - music and lyrics with no help from professional songwriters and see how many hits they have then!
and the anwser is 0...
Quote from: "nicky26"Quote from: "Rebecca"As for the Veronicas not having any control over the situation - well too bad! If they want complete control, well they can write every song themselves - music and lyrics with no help from professional songwriters and see how many hits they have then!
and the anwser is 0...
haha, 0, that's what I was thinking.
Quote from: "nicky26"
OK so you say that Rami lie to me.....He said exactly this "going to work with Veronicas"
Has Rami told you that he is working with The Veronicas?
Quote from: "turnaround"No Reb, don't shut up. It's so interesting to hear people's opinions.
And it's nice to hear different views.
Oh and great the audience enjoyed this Pink song especially! :D
Thanks, I love to read everyone's opinions too, it's all very interesting to me.
Oh, yes, U + Ur Hand and Who Knew - I'm not lying, everyone sang along. Cuz I Can also got a great response but then it's the first song so everyone was excited to see Pink on stage. I'm going again with a friend and can't wait.
Quote from: "Rebecca"Quote from: "nicky26"
OK so you say that Rami lie to me.....He said exactly this "going to work with Veronicas"
Has Rami told you that he is working with The Veronicas?
Yes i asked about all this and he said "going to work with veronicas" He was really nice told me about Kelly that she dosen´t want to work with them anymore, and that shane wards"out soon" album almost every song are from our heroes and also lesley roys album....So i cant belive why he should lie about the Veronicas... :lol:
YAY YAY YAY about the Shayne Ward album
And lesley too of course :smt060
Quote from: "turnaround"YAY YAY YAY about the Shayne Ward album
And lesley too of course :smt060
that sounds great
well, that is fantastic. Rami sounds nice. I can't wait for Shayne Ward, Lesley's album and it will be interesting if he works with Veronicas too.
Quote from: "nicky26"Quote from: "turnaround"YAY YAY YAY about the Shayne Ward album
And lesley too of course :smt060
ok sorry no more words from me :roll:
Sorry, what do you mean? ?
:|
Quote from: "hits"I dont want a music industry where a producer takes one song, makes 2 (almost 3, with the Megan "Tap That" song) singles out of it, gets paid a shitload of cash for it, and everyone pretends like its the most normal thing in the world.
(Agreeing with you I have to say:) Unfortunately it
is the most normal thing in the world nowadays in music bizz.
Look at Jörgen's Idol songs! :-X
He basically released the same song 50x for every idol. *lol*
Hehe, and that's exactly what I love so much. :lol:
And he never bores me with it.
So basically every Idol had to complain that his song gets re-used. But as all of them have just national success the probably don't know.
All in all I think it's pretty easy to break through & get a massive hit with the help of a successful songwriter (no matter if it's Max or anyone else) and then say "Oh he's shit and we were forced to work with him, we would have never if it would have been our decision."
Well, if they wouldn't have been "forced" to then their music career would still happen in their own living room, playing PLAYSTATION 2 "Singstar". *LMAO*
Quote from: "®a|ÑßØw÷¢H!LÐ"All in all I think it's pretty easy to break through & get a massive hit with the help of a successful songwriter (no matter if it's Max or anyone else) and then say "Oh he's shit and we were forced to work with him, we would have never if it would have been our decision."
Well, if they wouldn't have been "forced" to then their music career would still happen in their own living room, playing PLAYSTATION 2 "Singstar". *LMAO*
:) so right so right :) , but i dont like Playstation 2, love nintendo Wii
Quote from: "nicky26"...i dont like Playstation 2, love nintendo Wii
Same here, I'm a huge Nintendo-Fan (I identify myself with
Wario *LMAO*) and I think PS2 STINKS!
(http://www.nintendorks.com/johnny/wario.jpg)
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I just split this topic in two..
There is now a Guy Sebastian topic in the other-music section, as I think he there is maybe some discussion about him and so it deserves its own thread. :wink:
http://songwriter.so.ohost.de/viewtopic.php?t=119
I hope its a fake.
The Veronicas need Max !
Their loss! And you can hear it on the new album, which is very very average!
If nobody wanna work with you anyone, MAX, i'm heeeeeeeeeere!!!!!!!!!! LOOOOL
No seriously, I understand some recording companies got mad at that plagiarism story of Pink and The Veronicas...and Tap That! lol
They legitimately fear their artists' credit may be affected....
And Rebecca, what were you talking about? I didn't know The Veronicas had written a song with Andreas.... Can you tell me more? Where/when did you read this?
Quote from: hits on May 01, 2007, 05:25:49 AM
Quote from: ITS ALIVEIf you compare the songs of any prolific pop songwriter stuff is going to start sounding similar. There are only so many chords.
Or can you name a Britney and BSB song that sounds alike, I mean, "4ever / U+Ur Hand" alike? I cant.
Oops I Did It Again s nearly the same song as Hit Me Baby One More Time, mostly the same chords, same arrangement, same structure.
Anyway, I don't care as long as the songs are good. I like both 4 ever und U+Ur hand and I'm sure most people don't even realize the similarity.
if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
yeah they sound really similar BUT i doubt he sat there trying to recreate the song... it probably just sort of happened.
According to the Topic of (Qs & As) Prinssesofegypt Has posted few days ago , Max Said He was too lazy to do new beats , so I think he meant all the similarity on his songs
Welcome to the forum Benny!
and I agree: most people probably don't realise the similarity between 4Ever and U + Ur Hand - including me, the similarity didn't really hit me until someone mentioned it.