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Title: Multitracks of Max Martin songs
Post by: badpoetry on June 18, 2015, 08:17:42 PM
Hey guys,

I thought it would be cool to have a thread where people can share some multitracks for some of Max and company's songs. I have about a dozen myself and wouldn't mind sharing them.

I have found analyzing multitracks to be a great tool to improve my songwriting and interesting in the very least. I'm sure most of you would agree. So go ahead and share!

Here's something to start, Ariana Grande - One Last Time

https://drive.google.com/folder/d/0B-4p2lvDVGLWd1FrX3h2Z1BGTzQ/edit

EDIT:  Here is another link, I made a folder and will be putting some other multitracks in there.

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B-4p2lvDVGLWM0tQaXJXNGcxdzg&usp=sharing
Title: Re: Multitracks of Max Martin songs
Post by: AlexanderLaBrea on June 19, 2015, 01:36:53 AM
Great! What other songs do you have?
Title: Re: Multitracks of Max Martin songs
Post by: Adam B on June 19, 2015, 03:50:18 AM
Wow, great!

Would really like to listen to that one, unfortunately I think the download would take me 2 days  ;D Could you make a mogg or mp3s?
Title: Re: Multitracks of Max Martin songs
Post by: johnnyP on June 19, 2015, 04:02:38 AM
Amazing. thanks so much for this, would love to see what others you have?

And main questions... Where'd you get these?!!!
Title: Re: Multitracks of Max Martin songs
Post by: badpoetry on June 19, 2015, 12:55:45 PM
Hey guys, glad you enjoyed this. I have some other ones too, I'll just throw them in the folder and convert them to mp3s for you. I got them mostly from a site called literecords.com, it's a paid site but way worth it. I think you pay 5 British Pounds and then you can download 25 songs or something along those lines.
Title: Re: Multitracks of Max Martin songs
Post by: AlexanderLaBrea on June 19, 2015, 01:57:40 PM
Great! Thanks :) Do you have, or do you have access to more recent songs? One Last Time is amazing! But for pure production-analysis purposes, songs like Yeah x3 and the like from 5 years ago or so are already pretty outdated soundwise. I would love "Problem" for example, if it even exists in STEM form!
Title: Re: Multitracks of Max Martin songs
Post by: badpoetry on June 19, 2015, 03:30:50 PM
Great! Thanks :) Do you have, or do you have access to more recent songs? One Last Time is amazing! But for pure production-analysis purposes, songs like Yeah x3 and the like from 5 years ago or so are already pretty outdated soundwise. I would love "Problem" for example, if it even exists in STEM form!

I don't really like that song to be honest, I just checked and it's on the website but it's only like 3-4 stems so maybe not worth it...
Title: Re: Multitracks of Max Martin songs
Post by: Adam B on June 19, 2015, 07:21:26 PM
Hey guys, glad you enjoyed this. I have some other ones too, I'll just throw them in the folder and convert them to mp3s for you. I got them mostly from a site called literecords.com, it's a paid site but way worth it. I think you pay 5 British Pounds and then you can download 25 songs or something along those lines.


Thx!!  :D
Title: Re: Multitracks of Max Martin songs
Post by: j.fco.morales on June 19, 2015, 09:23:50 PM
https://magesy.be/audio-samples/pink-please-dont-leave-me-multitrack-wav.html#more-76281

 8)
Title: Re: Multitracks of Max Martin songs
Post by: B Steady on June 20, 2015, 12:03:59 AM
https://magesy.be/audio-samples/pink-please-dont-leave-me-multitrack-wav.html#more-76281

 8)

never knew the single has such a hot cover
Title: Re: Multitracks of Max Martin songs
Post by: Voodoo on June 22, 2015, 11:16:34 PM
Thanks! The maroon 5 one doesnt sound like Adam levine at all
Title: Re: Multitracks of Max Martin songs
Post by: B Steady on June 22, 2015, 11:25:17 PM
Thanks! The maroon 5 one doesnt sound like Adam levine at all

I've heard rumors it's not the original stems ::)
Title: Re: Multitracks of Max Martin songs
Post by: ShockdioN on June 22, 2015, 11:42:39 PM
thank u for this !
Title: Re: Multitracks of Max Martin songs
Post by: Romb on June 23, 2015, 03:14:23 AM
I have official multitrack of Maroon 5 If I never see your face again. Anyone interested?
Title: Re: Multitracks of Max Martin songs
Post by: Farooq on July 14, 2015, 11:27:10 PM
Thanks alot for sharing :D

was hoping to see some BSB in there lol
Title: Re: Multitracks of Max Martin songs
Post by: j.fco.morales on March 22, 2017, 04:38:33 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/SongStems/comments/60ukf0/pnk_fn_perfect_stems/?utm_content=comments&utm_medium=hot&utm_source=reddit&utm_name=SongStems

Fucking perfect multitrack! ;)
Title: Re: Multitracks of Max Martin songs
Post by: melodicmoonlight on March 22, 2017, 04:58:59 PM
Thanks! ^

I want the Original High stems to leak...
Title: Re: Multitracks of Max Martin songs
Post by: jonathan on April 06, 2017, 05:05:41 PM
i have some
Title: Re: Multitracks of Max Martin songs
Post by: elgrillo on April 07, 2017, 03:21:47 PM
i have some

Which ones you have?
Title: Re: Multitracks of Max Martin songs
Post by: Tano87 on April 07, 2017, 04:41:29 PM
Which ones you have?

I guess he refers to the one already leaked and available everywhere online..
Title: Re: Multitracks of Max Martin songs
Post by: j.fco.morales on April 07, 2017, 05:58:49 PM
I guess he refers to the one already leaked and available everywhere online..

Never guess, always ask...
Title: Re: Multitracks of Max Martin songs
Post by: Tano87 on April 08, 2017, 09:27:45 AM
I always asked and  no one had the 2000 stems/multitracks  :'( :'(
Title: Re: Multitracks of Max Martin songs
Post by: Tekker on October 26, 2021, 01:25:48 PM
Looking for Max Martin multitracks, I have only found baby one more time
Happy for anything else.... :)
Title: Re: Multitracks of Max Martin songs
Post by: AlexanderLaBrea on October 26, 2021, 10:18:47 PM
There are a bunch of them here on the forum if I remember correctly.

All the Ariana songs from My Everything and Dangerous Woman are out there. Some Katy Perry stuff, Roar for instance as well. Try remixpacks.ru
Title: Re: Multitracks of Max Martin songs
Post by: Tano87 on October 27, 2021, 08:56:47 PM
There are a bunch of them here on the forum if I remember correctly.

All the Ariana songs from My Everything and Dangerous Woman are out there. Some Katy Perry stuff, Roar for instance as well. Try remixpacks.ru

We need Cheiron stuff not these nowdays random songs
Title: Re: Multitracks of Max Martin songs
Post by: j.fco.morales on October 29, 2021, 10:41:12 PM
Kinda rude, chill.
Title: Re: Multitracks of Max Martin songs
Post by: Snipes3000 on October 30, 2021, 12:21:13 PM
Or instead of rudeness perhaps frustration for having the goal to recreate the cheiron stabs since at least 2014 without ever having accomplished it till today? I don't know. Or the frustration from listening to 100+ sample cd's from the 90s and then tell me that there is nothing from Cheiron there and then I listen for an hour through the cd's and find the intro sample of BSB The One on a Best Service CD? I would be frustrated too, listening all those 90s cd's and telling other people that nothing is on there and then I find the intro of The One without even going through half of those cd's.

I just know that Tano always knows what is NOT right, but never has what IS right, and that for at least 7 years. Maybe time to let go of your goal and find another purpose Tano? Or maybe time to just get creative with samples that are close enough and show us your own cheiron stab creation with all the knowledge you hve obtained in 7 years.
Title: Re: Multitracks of Max Martin songs
Post by: j.fco.morales on October 30, 2021, 04:32:50 PM
Well guys, get your sh*t together and stop being rude.
Title: Re: Multitracks of Max Martin songs
Post by: Tano87 on October 30, 2021, 08:03:36 PM
I didn't meant to be rude but the point is that everyone is here for Cheiron productions, this is the theme of the board and is what u came for.
So what's wrong with being real and tell the truth?! A good amounth of nowdays Stems/Multitracks by Max Martin or the ex Cheiron team is out there but everything is random and easy to find in basically every VSTs, everything is heard in all the production of other producers thousand of times.

We all want to hear every single instrument layered used by the old team, those sounds that created the magic and reunited us here today with only 1 reason, the passion for music and the passion for cheiron production/music.

So when someone will write about stems I will always say that I (we) want the cheiron magic stems, sorry if this could be rude but this is the truth, even if you don't like it or you don't accept it to youself deep inside you know that that's what we all want.
We are here because we fall in love with Oops or Larger Than Life or It's Gonna Be Me or Crazy or Shape Of My Heart or The Call ot I Want It That Way or Stronger or Lucky and each and everyone of us is dying to hear their favorite cheiron song deconstructed.

I listen for an hour through the cd's and find the intro sample of BSB The One on a Best Service CD

The sample that you're talking about is just SO random that Cheiron themselfs did it with their guitartist team since in the song itself there are guitars...so TO ME that is not important because THAT wasn't used by Cheiron team.

Also stop thinking that Cheiron did the sounds themselfs processing samples or instrument sounds. They used ALWAYS samples and used to LAYER them!
The only stuff they used by equipment was strings, pianos, pads.
Even in the Cheiron documentary they say that everything was about samples and layering.
Title: Re: Multitracks of Max Martin songs
Post by: Snipes3000 on October 31, 2021, 06:23:19 PM
The sample that you're talking about is just SO random that Cheiron themselfs did it with their guitartist team since in the song itself there are guitars...so TO ME that is not important because THAT wasn't used by Cheiron team.

Also stop thinking that Cheiron did the sounds themselfs processing samples or instrument sounds. They used ALWAYS samples and used to LAYER them!
The only stuff they used by equipment was strings, pianos, pads.
Even in the Cheiron documentary they say that everything was about samples and layering.

Right, the sample is exactly the same aside that Cheiron shifted it a few semitones and it isn't so random of a sample. Nevertheless, when Cheiron say that they always used samples and layered them does that mean that they don't process it?  No. But in your mind it does and that's where you show how sharp and bright your mind is. It's just dumb.

Equipment? What do you even know about equipment, where did they put the CD's inside? Equipment! Which equipment? Romplers! You really take yourself serious guy but your vision doesn't go any further than a turd sandwich. Hence the period 2014-2021 hasn't led to you accomplishing your goal and move on to something else. Your mentality isn't right for this kind of work. And don't keep on preaching that all those sample cd's that you listened to have nothing which cheiron used because that's incorrect. But I'm sure you haven't listened to all those cd's no matter what you say. You're just unreliable for telling other people that things are a certain way when they aren't. Don't talk when u dont know.

Now let us hear your stab after 7 years PLEASE !!!!!!!!

Sorry guys, will be on topic now just had to tell this accomplisher what's up for once.
Title: Re: Multitracks of Max Martin songs
Post by: Tano87 on November 01, 2021, 12:13:24 PM
Right, the sample is exactly the same aside that Cheiron shifted it a few semitones and it isn't so random of a sample. Nevertheless, when Cheiron say that they always used samples and layered them does that mean that they don't process it?  No. But in your mind it does and that's where you show how sharp and bright your mind is. It's just dumb.

Equipment? What do you even know about equipment, where did they put the CD's inside? Equipment! Which equipment? Romplers! You really take yourself serious guy but your vision doesn't go any further than a turd sandwich. Hence the period 2014-2021 hasn't led to you accomplishing your goal and move on to something else. Your mentality isn't right for this kind of work. And don't keep on preaching that all those sample cd's that you listened to have nothing which cheiron used because that's incorrect. But I'm sure you haven't listened to all those cd's no matter what you say. You're just unreliable for telling other people that things are a certain way when they aren't. Don't talk when u dont know.

Now let us hear your stab after 7 years PLEASE !!!!!!!!

Sorry guys, will be on topic now just had to tell this accomplisher what's up for once.

Why are u even talking about these stuff in this thread?! We're talking about stems/multitracks...not how they got their sounds or how they manipulated them.
Anyway I still think they were too lazy to work hard on the sounds. The only way they used to process a sound was equalize or pitch or reverse it and layer.
If u think the contraty it's ok I got my idea and u have urs but nobody knows the truth.
We can just assume according to their interviews, documentaries and listening to their songs.

I figured out about the sonar sound months and months ago...
I got the stabs and stabs layers they used in the different productions and this prove that you're wrong about them processing samples like we use to do nowdays.
Title: Re: Multitracks of Max Martin songs
Post by: Snipes3000 on November 02, 2021, 10:50:51 AM
I figured out about the sonar sound months and months ago...
I got the stabs and stabs layers they used in the different productions and this prove that you're wrong about them processing samples like we use to do nowdays.

So then, tell me where do the samples come from, what are the sources?
Title: Re: Multitracks of Max Martin songs
Post by: j.fco.morales on November 02, 2021, 04:59:42 PM
So then, tell me where do the samples come from, what are the sources?

Your hunting, your quest.

We're here to help, not to serve.
Title: Re: Multitracks of Max Martin songs
Post by: Tano87 on November 02, 2021, 09:06:07 PM
So then, tell me where do the samples come from, what are the sources?

JV1080/JV2080 and other romplers, samples from cd samples, samples from other songs.
Title: Re: Multitracks of Max Martin songs
Post by: Snipes3000 on November 02, 2021, 11:32:15 PM
Don't be a turd sandwich and be more specific. Don't always try to get things without giving back. Or are you unable to be specific because you don't know the truth?
Title: Re: Multitracks of Max Martin songs
Post by: j.fco.morales on November 03, 2021, 03:12:58 AM
Ugh.
Title: Re: Multitracks of Max Martin songs
Post by: Tano87 on November 03, 2021, 08:24:24 PM
Don't be a turd sandwich and be more specific. Don't always try to get things without giving back. Or are you unable to be specific because you don't know the truth?

I always givee back and that's the answer to your question.
I can't be more specific because I don't have each every single sound used to layer.
What I have is from the sources that I gave u.

Listen at the start of this song do you recognize anything?!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIgOL21S98o one of those UH were sampled and used in the percussion elements by cheiron team.

And what about this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ4Ao8uPT9A
The sounds that probably you recognized are from sample cds.
Title: Re: Multitracks of Max Martin songs
Post by: Dagge on November 06, 2021, 12:16:38 AM
Looking for Max Martin multitracks, I have only found baby one more time
Happy for anything else.... :)
.. and Oops .. of old stuff
https://www.britneyremixed.com/home/oops-i-did-it-again-stems
Title: Re: Multitracks of Max Martin songs
Post by: Tano87 on November 06, 2021, 11:41:42 AM
.. and Oops .. of old stuff
https://www.britneyremixed.com/home/oops-i-did-it-again-stems

To me these are fanmade...some tracks comes from the beatnik thing but some others don't.
Title: Re: Multitracks of Max Martin songs
Post by: Dagge on November 06, 2021, 03:37:46 PM
Oops is obviously orig
Title: Re: Multitracks of Max Martin songs
Post by: Tano87 on November 06, 2021, 10:08:17 PM
Oops is obviously orig

Don't think so...strings are different.
If you listen to the instrumental you can hear the organ BUT in the stems you hear a piano.
Also in the Beatnik remix you can hear also the sine lead sound which is not in the stems...
This is why I think most of the stuff from these stems are good fanmade.
If you align them they doesn't even match.
Title: Re: Multitracks of Max Martin songs
Post by: Snipes3000 on November 07, 2021, 12:47:26 PM
I can't be more specific because I don't have each every single sound used to layer.

Well, I don't expect you to give every sound. But giving two or three specific examples would make you a more reliable forum member.
Title: Re: Multitracks of Max Martin songs
Post by: Tano87 on November 08, 2021, 05:19:26 PM
Well, I don't expect you to give every sound. But giving two or three specific examples would make you a more reliable forum member.

Most of people here were giving out the same random information and were labeled as reliable.
I don't uderstand why I can't be reliable with these informations that I'm CONFIRMING.
I don't care about being reliable.

The Sci-Fi patch hasn't really been used by the team. I think they used it just for When You're Looking Like That.
But most of the time the "Sci-Fi" sweep used was from an e-Lab sample cd.
Title: Re: Multitracks of Max Martin songs
Post by: Tano87 on November 08, 2021, 06:40:40 PM
Guys. Can we stop now?
I agree

Oops is obviously orig

https://youtu.be/V32PxrptlVs?t=97

If u listen from here the whole breathing "percussion" and the sine synth lead is missing in the stems along with the "yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah".
Also I think the Beatnik didn't really had access to the whole sounds and a few of them where made by themself.
The Oops strings in the instrumental are big, full...gives body to the whole thing. The strings from the stems are very basic.

Listen to the Crazy version made always with Beatnik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DDoaHB2KtM

There's no electric guitar in the real deal and the bell sound is totally different than the one in the official stop remix instrumental.
Title: Re: Multitracks of Max Martin songs
Post by: j.fco.morales on November 08, 2021, 09:30:58 PM
I downloaded the In The Zone stems and you can hear clearly the background vocals by Cathy Dennis on Showdown.
Title: Re: Multitracks of Max Martin songs
Post by: Dagge on November 09, 2021, 12:54:48 AM
Don't think so...strings are different.
If you listen to the instrumental you can hear the organ BUT in the stems you hear a piano.
Also in the Beatnik remix you can hear also the sine lead sound which is not in the stems...
This is why I think most of the stuff from these stems are good fanmade.
If you align them they doesn't even match.

What's the point of inserting a couple of orig multitrack channels and then add a couple of fabricated ones. If they had orig vocal tracks they obviously had access to the whole multitrack.
Title: Re: Multitracks of Max Martin songs
Post by: Tano87 on November 09, 2021, 04:14:15 PM
I downloaded the In The Zone stems and you can hear clearly the background vocals by Cathy Dennis on Showdown.

Britney and Cathy collaborated a lot during that era...this is why she's featured as backing vocalist and it's very loud in the mix.
She was featured in the demos so most of her vocals were kept in the final projects.

What's the point of inserting a couple of orig multitrack channels and then add a couple of fabricated ones. If they had orig vocal tracks they obviously had access to the whole multitrack.

Probably this was the deal with the label...IDK...
Anyway I think that Cheiron team was very protective with their own soundsets...and this could be confirmed for the fact that no multitracks from the golden days are available except for Baby One More Time.
Title: Re: Multitracks of Max Martin songs
Post by: j.fco.morales on November 09, 2021, 09:08:08 PM
I don't think Cathy is "featured" in the song. She wrote the song, for god's sake!

Back in the day, songwriters and producers pitched their songs for the big projects because the artists were not very involved. Their A&R's teams worked hard in order to get new albums released quickly: find the right songs, present the songs to the artist and then just record lead vocals and move on.

Britney recorded Oops I Did It Again -the whole swedish songs at least- in just one week.
Cathy did sessions with top producers back in the day, after Kylie Minogue's Can't Get You Out of My Head and Come Into My World, who put her in the spotlight -after a successful career in the early 90's as an artist herself- and publishers put her into sessions with top producers.
Title: Re: Multitracks of Max Martin songs
Post by: Tano87 on November 09, 2021, 11:57:00 PM
I don't think Cathy is "featured" in the song. She wrote the song, for god's sake!

Back in the day, songwriters and producers pitched their songs for the big projects because the artists were not very involved. Their A&R's teams worked hard in order to get new albums released quickly: find the right songs, present the songs to the artist and then just record lead vocals and move on.

Britney recorded Oops I Did It Again -the whole swedish songs at least- in just one week.
Cathy did sessions with top producers back in the day, after Kylie Minogue's Can't Get You Out of My Head and Come Into My World, who put her in the spotlight -after a successful career in the early 90's as an artist herself- and publishers put her into sessions with top producers.

I know what I’m talking about. She’s credited as writer and backing vocalist.
https://www.discogs.com/release/12828945-Britney-Spears-In-The-Zone

There’s a Toxic demo featuring Cathy’s vocals https://youtu.be/S7dk9DXFrwk
And if I'm not wrong she also released an interview talking about it.

Title: Re: Multitracks of Max Martin songs
Post by: Dagge on November 23, 2021, 12:41:29 AM
Anyway I think that Cheiron team was very protective with their own soundsets...and this could be confirmed for the fact that no multitracks from the golden days are available except for Baby One More Time.

Generally, I could agree. Yet there were not many special sounds at that time. It was known that the majority came from the Roland JV-2080 and a couple of other mainstream synths like Korg TR ('stitch'). Bass came mainly from the SE-1 and actually only 'special' sound was the drum sound. A guy turned doctor that worked there at that time confirmed his astonishment at how ordinary their multi-tracks actually sounded. So this quest for early Cheiron multi-tracks would probably be a disappointment for many. There was no secret, 'only' a good taste and a talent.
Title: Re: Multitracks of Max Martin songs
Post by: Tano87 on November 24, 2021, 11:30:59 AM
I noticed that in the & Juliet album there are songs that got the original signature elements. If you guys have the chance to get ur hands on them please share them.