Saw this all over Twitter this morning......it's a demo with very good sound quality.....http://www.beyondbeautifuljlo.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=47419
The lyrics are god awful.
Quote from: J_A24 on June 06, 2014, 06:00:17 PM
The lyrics are god awful.
I really like the line about "the Castle Hill train".....that one stands out......
The melody and the lyrics are sh*t. Production wise is good, almost average.
Quote from: j.fco.morales on June 06, 2014, 07:16:12 PM
The melody and the lyrics are sh*t. Production wise is good, almost average.
Wow, you guys are..........I don't know........seems like if someone gets to the step of even MAKING a demo for JLo maybe there's something you can learn from it?
Quote from: georg_e on June 06, 2014, 07:41:18 PM
Wow, you guys are..........I don't know........seems like if someone gets to the step of even MAKING a demo for JLo maybe there's something you can learn from it?
I learned
what not to do when listening to that. Production is demo-ish, I'm fine with that, it's normal. But the song itself is bad.
Quote from: J_A24 on June 06, 2014, 09:13:59 PM
I learned what not to do when listening to that. Production is demo-ish, I'm fine with that, it's normal. But the song itself is bad.
OK...since it is a demo.......I'd be interested in hearing a link to anything by you guys in this thread that you consider as good or better than this. Both melody/lyric and production wise. *DISCLAIMER* I don't have anything of my own that I would put in that category, lolllll!!!!
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....and if y'all have something that shows better (or as good) vocal background harmonies/writing than this demo, please include that too!!
Quote from: georg_e on June 06, 2014, 10:40:48 PM
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....and if y'all have something that shows better (or as good) vocal background harmonies/writing than this demo, please include that too!!
What would that prove? What is your point?
You really find "Ain't no stopping, I stay poppin" good?
Quote from: J_A24 on June 06, 2014, 10:54:22 PM
What would that prove? What is your point?
You really find "Ain't no stopping, I stay poppin" good?
My point is this.....it's rare to hear stuff from the "Real World" of pro songwriting like this. Something that maybe isnpt the greatest song in the world, but you can bet they THOUGHT it was, or they wouldn't have bothered to get it to this stage. Luke/Cirkut prob have HUNDREDS of tracks like this that didn't make a final record for whatever reason. But even their tracks like this have stuff for us to learn from. (If you want to, that is ;-) I listened to this like 10 times today......the chord progression is good, vocal harmonies are outstanding, and if you don't like the melody/lyrics, well that's your taste of course.
So my point in the challenge is.......please illustrate what you think is a better melody/lyrics using work of your own. Because whether you like it or not, SOMEBODY in the music business found this good enough to make it even to this stage. And THIS stage is better than 90% of what non-professional songwriters/producers can do. So maybe instead of saying it's "shit", (speaking of reactions in this thread in general) you could maybe check it out and see what they're doing right to even get to this stage....... not everything is ''Roar'!!!
Quote from: georg_e on June 06, 2014, 11:12:16 PM
My point is this.....it's rare to hear stuff from the "Real World" of pro songwriting like this. Something that maybe isnpt the greatest song in the world, but you can bet they THOUGHT it was, or they wouldn't have bothered to get it to this stage. Luke/Cirkut prob have HUNDREDS of tracks like this that didn't make a final record for whatever reason. But even their tracks like this have stuff for us to learn from. (If you want to, that is ;-) I listened to this like 10 times today......the chord progression is good, vocal harmonies are outstanding, and if you don't like the melody/lyrics, well that's your taste of course.
So my point in the challenge is.......please illustrate what you think is a better melody/lyrics using work of your own. Because whether you like it or not, SOMEBODY in the music business found this good enough to make it even to this stage. And THIS stage is better than 90% of what non-professional songwriters/producers can do. So maybe instead of saying it's "shit", (speaking of reactions in this thread in general) you could maybe check it out and see what they're doing right to even get to this stage....... not everything is ''Roar'!!!
What you don't understand is that this is your opinion and not a fact. In the music industry, some songs and artists make it not even because they're that good, but just because someone wants to be on someone else's good side. Am I implying that this is what happened with this song? Absolutely not, but it's not because it's a demo for J.Lo that I will change my opinion on a demo that I don't really like. Pitching songs to Major Label artists doesn't make you a better artist than someone who's not doing so. Doing that is one of the many things that you can do in the business and not everyone strives on doing that. It's not the ultimate goal for everyone.
And it's great that you're willing to learn from this demo, but in my personal experience, I can't learn from something that I don't really like. So the day that I even try prove that a song is bad by upping one of my own is the day that I will need to have a reality check. Not because I have something called taste.
So what are you so unsettled about? Because we don't like something that you like?
*Quote*
[ "Pitching songs to Major Label artists doesn't make you a better artist than someone who's not doing so. Doing that is one of the many things that you can do in the business and not everyone strives on doing that. It's not the ultimate goal for everyone".]
In that case, you're definitely on the right track!!
Quote from: georg_e on June 06, 2014, 11:40:37 PM
*Quote*
[ "Pitching songs to Major Label artists doesn't make you a better artist than someone who's not doing so. Doing that is one of the many things that you can do in the business and not everyone strives on doing that. It's not the ultimate goal for everyone".]
In that case, you're definitely on the right track!!
Who said there was a "right" track? ;)
First of all, I'm pretty sure this people wasn't approached to "write a song" for Jennifer Lopez. People pitch their songs to A&R's, if you're an established and successful songwriter/producer, an A&R will give you a call and ask you directly to pitch a song for a special artists and that doesn't mean it will make the cut for a release.
It's like when nexus says in a post that he did a song for Taylor Swift or Ellie Goulding, it's up to you if you believe it or not.
I absolutely agree with J: this is a forum and we make opinions about things, in this case music. Everyone does it based on your aesthetics. According to me, the song is a complete mess; if it doesn't to you, RESPECT my opinion and don't try to persuade me or make me change my mind.
I think a good A&R wouldn't consider this song mainly because the awful lyrics and melodies. The production sounds good -close to a Cirkut+Luke production, it's not confirmed by anyone- but it's still not convincing to me. That's it.
Basically, that's why A&R exist: to make an accurate selection of material for the artists to record and make money, because everybody knows that Jennifer Lopez doesn't make art.
Following what I just said, for example: Umbrella was pitched to Britney Spears and Mary J. Blige, ended up being a huge hit for Rihanna. And excellent A&R work. Telephone by Lady Gaga was pitched to Britney. To not include the song was an excellent decision. Toxic by Britney Spears was pitched to Kylie Minogue's Body Language, another right choice.
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".....a good A&R....." ???
There's maybe about 5 of those in the world, if that!! Even the artist themselves don't know shit half the time.....
Ariana Grande wanted to get rid of "Problem", Kelly Clarkson wanted to scrap BOTH ''Since U Been Gone" and BTHE, lol!!!
Only ones I really respect are the songwriters/producers...........and a FEW geniuses on business end, like Clive Davis, who I admire greatly ;-)
(And from my own personal experience, the A&R/screening team for Charlie Walk -- now exec. VP of Republic Records -- who said YES (unequivocally) to a co-written song of mine in 2010 -- after I got blank stares from alot of others before that. (And after that, lol). So I give grateful credit/respect where it's due!!!
This song is a real snoozefest -makes you wanna change tune in 10 seconds! noone is gonna hear those harmonies however good they are.. either they fell asleep or listened to something else. The vocals are recorded good tho, I'll give them that.
Quote from: georg_e on June 07, 2014, 12:58:30 AM
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".....a good A&R....." ???
There's maybe about 5 of those in the world, if that!! Even the artist themselves don't know shit half the time.....
Ariana Grande wanted to get rid of "Problem", Kelly Clarkson wanted to scrap BOTH ''Since U Been Gone" and BTHE, lol!!!
Only ones I really respect are the songwriters/producers...........and a FEW geniuses on business end, like Clive Davis, who I admire greatly ;-)
(And from my own personal experience, the A&R/screening team for Charlie Walk -- now exec. VP of Republic Records -- who said YES (unequivocally) to a co-written song of mine in 2010 -- after I got blank stares from alot of others before that. (And after that, lol). So I give grateful credit/respect where it's due!!!
Well dude, but if you're getting too many rejections, is because you're not giving your best or you're pitching songs to wrong artists.
There are many people doing an amazing job as A&R, like Teresa LaBarbera Whites... but I have to agree with you that often, they play safe and make it boring...
That's why pitching songs is getting old. Most A&R's are people who don't really care about music. Just the procedure of being a staff writer is so un-organic and un-musical, it's driving away a bunch a great creative minds. The business is changing.
QUOTE:["Well dude, but if you're getting too many rejections, is because you're not giving your best or you're pitching songs to wrong artists. "]
It was A&R team of Charlie Walk -- who's now behind Ariana Grande & Lorde -- who said yes to me. And it was Charlie Walk who gave RedOne his first break when he was broke in NYC and couldn't even get ONE cut. In other words he was getting "too many rejections" as you put it.
Many times all it takes is ONE person to make a difference, not something the songwriter is doing wrong. So you have it EXACTLY backwards!!
Retweet/favorite of my Tweet to songwriter on "Ain't No Stoppin" :D Positivity, baby!!!!!!!!
DEYO - Songwriter retweeted you
23h: @mrDEYO "Castle Hill train rider"........love that line!!!!
Quote from: georg_e on June 07, 2014, 05:07:40 PM
QUOTE:["Well dude, but if you're getting too many rejections, is because you're not giving your best or you're pitching songs to wrong artists. "]
It was A&R team of Charlie Walk -- who's now behind Ariana Grande & Lorde -- who said yes to me. And it was Charlie Walk who gave RedOne his first break when he was broke in NYC and couldn't even get ONE cut. In other words he was getting "too many rejections" as you put it.
Many times all it takes is ONE person to make a difference, not something the songwriter is doing wrong. So you have it EXACTLY backwards!!
It's true, sometimes all it takes it's a different set of ears and you have a cut. But at the same time, it's better to focus on the things that you can control, just let the music speak by itself.
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10:45 PM - 12 Feb 2013
I don't mind the song at all, I actually quite like it. I've heard a lot worse.
this song is ok but i dont care about the lyrics so much the overall sound is more important