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Other music and off-topic => Studios, Sounds, Vocals and Tech-Talk => Topic started by: Tano87 on April 03, 2021, 08:57:44 PM

Title: Source/Sample Of This Sound?
Post by: Tano87 on April 03, 2021, 08:57:44 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcDid_pHgOk 0:29

As you can hear there's the piano attack used as intro on Oops!...I Did It Again layered with another sound, a kind of pad/synth/lead used as reverb...this sound which is very common on Cheiron productions. They to layer it with their different hits/stabs they had.
U can also hear it on Oops and others..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0l5Fx77PWA 0:10 layered with a hit/stab
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joHdwN-E5nA layered with the intro stab

Any hint...?
Title: Re: Source/Sample Of This Sound?
Post by: j.fco.morales on April 04, 2021, 01:11:49 AM
http://www.swedishsongs.de/smf/index.php?topic=3865.0;topicseen

There is Cheiron full equipment, shared by my friend Tano87.
Title: Re: Source/Sample Of This Sound?
Post by: Tano87 on April 04, 2021, 05:09:53 AM
http://www.swedishsongs.de/smf/index.php?topic=3865.0;topicseen

There is Cheiron full equipment, shared by my friend Tano87.

I know that but I was trying to figure out if someone has found that sample somewhere around...
Title: Re: Source/Sample Of This Sound?
Post by: Snipes3000 on April 04, 2021, 11:52:52 AM
No hint. Just the common suggestion of diving thruogh Roland SRX and co, Emulatorx3 VST (especially this one has many), Triton, Zenology PRO (new roland synth CHECK IT OUT ITS GREAT), Omnispherre 2, MTron pro, and any other source that I have mentioned in earlier posts on this topic + 1-1.5 hour of diving through the presets.
Title: Re: Source/Sample Of This Sound?
Post by: j.fco.morales on April 04, 2021, 08:24:46 PM
I mean, there's no presets: the guys built their own library of sounds layering the stuff they liked.

Basically based on Piano stab + talk box and orchestra hits available on sample CD's and the modules availables at the time.
If you listen to those, you can find some presets from the late 90s and early 2000 producers. Timbaland's sound, for example, is widely based on E-Mu modules, same with The Neptunes.
Title: Re: Source/Sample Of This Sound?
Post by: Tano87 on April 05, 2021, 06:09:10 PM
Yep but the digital hi-res Emu modules are basically hard to find
Title: Re: Source/Sample Of This Sound?
Post by: j.fco.morales on April 05, 2021, 10:35:20 PM
Yep but the digital hi-res Emu modules are basically hard to find


If you're a Native Instruments Kontakt user, you can easily find the emu Modules.
Title: Re: Source/Sample Of This Sound?
Post by: Snipes3000 on April 05, 2021, 11:35:39 PM
https://anonfiles.com/xf72h6pcu6/Knipsel_JPG these are the banks I have. There are more but those are mostly mixes of the different hardwares, while my own are almost all based on 1 hardware (I like things categorised per hardware module rather). If you can't find them and want to have one or some of them just ask me and I'll do my best to send it you.
Title: Re: Source/Sample Of This Sound?
Post by: Tano87 on April 07, 2021, 11:55:12 AM
https://anonfiles.com/xf72h6pcu6/Knipsel_JPG these are the banks I have. There are more but those are mostly mixes of the different hardwares, while my own are almost all based on 1 hardware (I like things categorised per hardware module rather). If you can't find them and want to have one or some of them just ask me and I'll do my best to send it you.

According to the Cheiron studio equipment the vintage keys/vintage pro should have the StringWheel pad.
I'm looking for the cheiron sounds in their studio equipment module so I don't really know what to ask u because most of the staff u listed are there...
Title: Re: Source/Sample Of This Sound?
Post by: j.fco.morales on April 07, 2021, 01:07:19 PM
Well, I think he's trying to be nice sharing a list of what he does have and maybe share it with you...
Title: Re: Source/Sample Of This Sound?
Post by: Snipes3000 on April 07, 2021, 02:13:45 PM
A) You said the emu modules are hard to find. Welll, they aren't, hence Im willing to share my carefully selected emu banks. Emu even released many of those samples digital by themself.
B) I don't know why u R stuck to the "stringwheel", but if stringwheel is in vintage pro, that means you should have a look at the manual of the original device (accesable online). If you study that source, you will conclude that the stringwheel can only be derived from a few hardware devices. When u study the manual even closer, you will see that you can even narrow the options down more.
C) Someone also mentioned that it was preset 15 of vintage pro. That preset is called apo: C3/M12. Apo means analogue piano. C3 is the hammond and M12 is Oberheim Matrix 12. Perhaps also consider taking that into consideration in research.
D) You might not recognise the preset right away as they layer presets and hard EQ and reverb and compress. So it might be stringwheel but including a lot of processing. Then you can scroll all the presets that you want but you won't find it.
Title: Re: Source/Sample Of This Sound?
Post by: Tano87 on April 07, 2021, 08:59:23 PM
Well, I think he's trying to be nice sharing a list of what he does have and maybe share it with you...

I know...I was trying to tell him I need them all but it's kinda hard to ask...because these are rare stuff...that was the point of my message...
Title: Re: Source/Sample Of This Sound?
Post by: Tano87 on May 23, 2021, 11:48:58 PM
Going back to the main object of the thread here u have the isolated sound that Iím looking for. Here is unlayered without stabs or hits or whatever they used to layer it with.

https://youtu.be/VtcvRbjDlKk

This was produced by Rami in 1997 when he wasnít part of Cheiron.
Title: Re: Source/Sample Of This Sound?
Post by: Snipes3000 on May 24, 2021, 01:40:53 AM
@ 0:23 and 0:33? Or the one at 0:43 and 0:49?
Title: Re: Source/Sample Of This Sound?
Post by: Tano87 on June 09, 2021, 10:41:14 PM
@ 0:23 and 0:33? Or the one at 0:43 and 0:49?

@ 0:23 and 0:33.

@ 0:43 and 0:49 is the sax that was used in the pre-chorus of Baby One More Time, Crazy, Oops, Lucky, and also was used on 3.
Title: Re: Source/Sample Of This Sound?
Post by: Snipes3000 on June 10, 2021, 12:02:43 AM
Yeah, the sax also sounds like the RedOne trademark sound I believe.
I just listened to the sound very carefully. It sounds rather glassy, so it makes me think of a source such as D50. Naturally, such a classic synth can be found as a source in many romplers.
1. The Korg M1 is based on the D-50, so def search in there: check out SE/Complex category.
*I was just briefly checking it out and found a sound called submarine. Someone on the forum was searching for it, sounds really like a tom drowned in reverb in the M1. Probably not the same as the Cheiron one, but good to be aware of its existence inside the M1.
2. Omnisphere2 (check presets, but also search by going to init preset and then browse through sample library, accesible inside osciliation section)
3. Usual recommendation: check out Korg, EMU, Zenology romplers + addition for this specific case: check out SFX presets inside synths. There are many hidden gems there.
4. If you listen closely you hear that from the moment the sounds jumps to the right side, another sound enters.

I don't have time to spend a whole afternoon browsing for presets at this moment so I can't be of any more help than to share my gear knowledge. I used to browse presets for 4 hours a day and tbh at some point I would always get lost and my ears would be totally deceived (but that's my fault because I don't replay the sample I'm searching for enough :))