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Larger Than Life = That's The Way I Like It

Started by B Steady, July 11, 2013, 06:14:16 PM

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B Steady

To all the theory freaks in here!

Just compare the LTL progression with the TTWILI one!
The main difference is that the F chord in TTWILI has an A in the bass. Apart from that the songs are almost the same chord progression wise.
Vila i frid Dag

J_A24

That's the way I like it should've been a single.  One of the best songs from the Backstreet's Back album.

The chord progression on the bridge is so epic.

rhythmic5

#2
they're definitely both in C minor, but I think their progressions are slightly different

TTWILI chorus looks like cm, gm, F, Gsus4, G (i, v, IV, Vsus4, V)
LTL chorus = cm, Bb, F repeated x3, ending with Ab, and Bb (i, VII, IV, VI, VII)

side note: an interesting thing I've found with denniz pop and 90's max martin is that they love using the Vsus4 > V and VIIsus4 > VII cadences

for example:
Jessica Folcker - Tell Me What You Like = i, VI, II, VII, Vsus4, V
NSYNC - Tearin Up My Heart = VI, VII, i, VII, VI, Vsus4, V, i, VIIsus4, VII (both candences in one chorus!)
NSYNC - It's Gonna Be Me = VI, VII, v, i, VI, V, i, VIIsus4, VII
Britney Spears - Lucky = I, vi, IV, Vsus4, V

B Steady

#3
Quote from: rhythmic5 on July 16, 2013, 04:06:31 PM
they're definitely both in C minor, but I think their progressions are slightly different

TTWILI chorus looks like cm, gm, F, Gsus4, G (i, v, IV, Vsus4, V)
LTL chorus = cm, Bb, F repeated x3, ending with Ab, and Bb (i, VII, IV, VI, VII)

side note: an interesting thing I've found with denniz pop and 90's max martin is that they love using the Vsus4 > V and VIIsus4 > VII cadences

for example:
Jessica Folcker - Tell Me What You Like = i, VI, II, VII, Vsus4, V
NSYNC - Tearin Up My Heart = VI, VII, i, VII, VI, Vsus4, V, i, VIIsus4, VII (both candences in one chorus!)
NSYNC - It's Gonna Be Me = VI, VII, v, i, VI, V, i, VIIsus4, VII
Britney Spears - Lucky = I, vi, IV, Vsus4, V

yeah, maybe I exaggerated with "almost the same" but I don't agree with your TTWILI progression!
I think the second chord is a Bb (as in larger than life) and third chord is not a just F chord but an F chord with an A-bass.
and another similarity is the VI-VII-i progression in the bridge of TTWILI!

this VI-VII-i is probably the most used progression in Max Martin/Dr. Luke songs!it appears plenty of times in their songs!

just checked the other progressions, they are all right and yeah, the "sus-chords" created the tention in those songs and they have been a trademark of cheiron productions!
PS: tell me what you like is the only Denniz/Max production of your examples :P TUMH is done by Kristian, IGBM by Rami and Lucky by Max/Rami :)
Vila i frid Dag

B Steady

Drowning: keep me drowning in your love: E - F# - B  ≈ VI - VII - i
Everybody: rock your body right: F# - G# - bb = VI - VII - I
Everyone: so this one goes out to you: G# - Bb - c = VI - VII - I
Get Another Boyfriend: playin in the name of love: Bb - C - F ≈ VI - VII - i
I Want It That Way: ain't nothin but a heartache: D - E - f# = ≈ VI - VII - i
Larger Than Life: see above
Nobody But You: ... chance to make it right, time has come for us ...: C# - D# - f = VI - VII - i
Not For Me: ... not for me: G - A - b = VI - VII - i
Quit Playing Games: ... hangin' here forever, oh baby ...: G - A - b = VI - VII - i
Show Me The Meaning Of Being Lonely: ... being lonely ...: D - E - f# = VI - VII - i
That's The Way I Like It: see above
The Answer To Our Life: ... find the answer to our life: D - E - f#
The Call: ... battery is low: F# - G# - C# ≈ VI - VII - i
The One: ... run, I'll be the one ...: Eb - F - g = VI - VII - i
Vila i frid Dag

rhythmic5

#5
Quote from: B Steady on July 19, 2013, 11:42:50 AM
yeah, maybe I exaggerated with "almost the same" but I don't agree with your TTWILI progression!
I think the second chord is a Bb (as in larger than life) and third chord is not a just F chord but an F chord with an A-bass.
and another similarity is the VI-VII-i progression in the bridge of TTWILI!

ahh, maybe I screwed up somewhere in my transcribing... I shall upload a midi in haste to see what happened

Quote from: B Steady on July 19, 2013, 11:42:50 AM
PS: tell me what you like is the only Denniz/Max production of your examples :P TUMH is done by Kristian, IGBM by Rami and Lucky by Max/Rami :)

haha whoops... good call on that. I should have said "cheiron production" :p

btw I never noticed the popularity of VI-VII-i. such an epic list for comparison! I think you might be off on The Call though, pretty sure that's VI-VII-III hehe

adding to the list of VI-VII-i songs:
Adam Lambert - Whataya Want from Me: ...just dont give up
E-Type - Back 2 Life: ..beat I'm back to life..
Katy Perry - California Girls: ...fornia girls we're unforgettable..
Nsync - It's Gonna Be Me: ..no man no cry/maybe that's.. (prechorus)
Pink - Who Knew: ..someone said 3 years from now you'd be...