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Title: Miley Cyrus "Fall Down" string part......
Post by: georg_e on April 17, 2013, 05:19:01 PM
          So this song  (the "Entertainer of the Year" co-produced :-)   is basically copy/paste, although catchy and good sound, but only reason I'm posting about it is at 4.06 sec it has the most jaw-droppingly beautiful string part, which continues until end of song...really want to find out who wrote/arranged that part!!   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGoy2W_qLVQ

Later...found this about the orchestra.....     
                 Also featuring fellow BEP member apl.de.ap-and, perhaps most outrageously, the 70-piece, Prague-based Czech Symphony Orchestra-#willpower sees will.i.am expanding his sound by sharing production duties with leading-edge collaborators like Dr. Luke, Cirkut, Benny Blanco, Afrojack, Swedish House Mafia's Steve Angello and Sebastian Ingrosso, Lazy Jay, and FRESHM3N III.

        I want this song to go #1 just for that part.....best thing I've heard in a pop song in a long time :D On iTunes already, release date is Tuesday 4/23.

Title: Re: Miley Cyrus "Fall Down" string part......
Post by: Raul_esp on April 17, 2013, 11:50:09 PM
The song is good but nothing special.
Title: Re: Miley Cyrus "Fall Down" string part......
Post by: georg_e on April 18, 2013, 06:44:59 AM
Quote from: Raul_esp on April 17, 2013, 11:50:09 PM
The song is good but nothing special.
True, but that orchestra part is!  :-)
Title: Re: Miley Cyrus "Fall Down" string part......
Post by: Axel on April 18, 2013, 12:05:20 PM
I was listening to this song two days ago as well, and I think it's phenomenal. And yes, the string part is really fantastic, even though it's a radical break and will most likely be cut from every radio station. :-)

However, on the second or third listen I was getting a Kesha-flashback. Isn't the main hook extreeeeeeeeemely close to "Die Young" by Kesha? I mean the melody where she sings "Looking for some trouble tonight, take my hand I'll show you the wild side." I agree it's not identical, but given that Luke is on the production team it's just too close to miss.

Overall I think the song is excellent though. Great to hear a new side of Miley, of whom I haven't been a fan at all so far. It's also impressive how will.i.am manages to squeeze out creative ideas song after song. The song has so many small nuances in the way they play with the vocal production and even the melodies. I am deeply in love with the simple melody in the chorus. So so so so so so great.

I think this song will be dominating the charts in no time.

In related news I'm still amazed of the incredible amount of style packed into the Scream & Shout video. Will.i.am clearly knows his sh*t, holy cow! It oozes creativity.
Title: Re: Miley Cyrus "Fall Down" string part......
Post by: B Steady on April 18, 2013, 12:42:09 PM
Quote from: Axel on April 18, 2013, 12:05:20 PMHowever, on the second or third listen I was getting a Kesha-flashback. Isn't the main hook extreeeeeeeeemely close to "Die Young" by Kesha? I mean the melody where she sings "Looking for some trouble tonight, take my hand I'll show you the wild side." I agree it's not identical, but given that Luke is on the production team it's just too close to miss.

only on the 2nd/3rd? I was listening to it and thought: well, Die Young Pt. II ;D
Title: Re: Miley Cyrus "Fall Down" string part......
Post by: Elias on April 18, 2013, 03:57:36 PM
I liked this song a lot! Even if it's very similair to Die Young and How To Be A Heartbreaker, i love that sound so i'm glad they did it again :)

But i was disappointed when i saw this article about how will.i.am used other artist's material without even asking or clearing any rights. I've always respected him very much, but it seems like he went too far here:
http://www.youredm.com/2013/04/16/will-i-am-steals-arty-mat-zos-hit-rebound/ (http://www.youredm.com/2013/04/16/will-i-am-steals-arty-mat-zos-hit-rebound/)

What do you guys think?
Title: Re: Miley Cyrus "Fall Down" string part......
Post by: Raul_esp on April 18, 2013, 11:42:40 PM
Quote from: Elias on April 18, 2013, 03:57:36 PM
I liked this song a lot! Even if it's very similair to Die Young and How To Be A Heartbreaker, i love that sound so i'm glad they did it again :)

But i was disappointed when i saw this article about how will.i.am used other artist's material without even asking or clearing any rights. I've always respected him very much, but it seems like he went too far here:
http://www.youredm.com/2013/04/16/will-i-am-steals-arty-mat-zos-hit-rebound/ (http://www.youredm.com/2013/04/16/will-i-am-steals-arty-mat-zos-hit-rebound/)

What do you guys think?

Omg ,Is not this  Plagiarism?
Title: Re: Miley Cyrus "Fall Down" string part......
Post by: rhythmic5 on April 19, 2013, 05:28:59 AM
wow... will.i.am just created a huge cluster fuck. i have to sympathize with all of the victims he sampled... wasted time they have to take out of their schedule to deal with this instead of writing new music.
Title: Re: Miley Cyrus "Fall Down" string part......
Post by: Joshua on April 19, 2013, 08:46:04 PM
I should probably restrain myself, but I may burst with anger... I seriously cannot stand will.i.am! >:( I hate everything he's worked on since "Boom Boom Pow". It's always the same basic beats, over the top auto-tune, synth breakdowns and nonsense rap. It's getting old. I just had a listen to his new track with Chris Brown, and honestly, minus will's rap and the (surprise surprise) synth breakdown, I love it. It actually evokes plenty of emotion in me (which isn't anger). Beautiful chord progression and vibe, finally. But alas, it turns out to be stolen from someone else. :(

Back on topic, that orchestral part is beautiful! I agree they will surely edit it, but hopefully not completely. The Ke$ha copy/paste is a bit worrying though, a little too obvious there Luke.
Title: Re: Miley Cyrus "Fall Down" string part......
Post by: AdamKhan on April 19, 2013, 11:11:48 PM
Love the drums. They sound clean. Think is was benny blanco who programmed them.
Title: Re: Miley Cyrus "Fall Down" string part......
Post by: Rebecca on April 21, 2013, 12:11:36 PM
Surprisingly I like this song, often I find will i am songs annoying, but this is quite nice, but it is totally Kesha's "Die Young".
Title: Re: Miley Cyrus "Fall Down" string part......
Post by: B Steady on April 21, 2013, 04:52:27 PM
Quote from: #willpower-bookletorchestral and string arrangement by onree gill & will.i.am.

Title: Re: Miley Cyrus "Fall Down" string part......
Post by: georg_e on April 21, 2013, 05:21:09 PM

                           ^     ^    ^
       Thanks ;-)    Will have to investigate further though, as "arranged" and composed are two different things........
Title: Re: Miley Cyrus "Fall Down" string part......
Post by: georg_e on April 24, 2013, 06:22:53 PM

                From Dr. Luke Twitter today...     Dr. Luke Doctor Luke ‏@TheDoctorLuke 12h
Working on miley record ... Sounding good !!! http://yfrog.com/hslszfaj

                  Photo shows string section in studio......real live instruments is coming baaack, yes!!!!  :D
Title: Re: Miley Cyrus "Fall Down" string part......
Post by: georg_e on April 24, 2013, 08:07:31 PM

        I  Tweeted Onree Gill,  orchestra arranger on many tracks of Will I Am album, and asked if he was the composer of the string part on "Fall Down" (Miley Cyrus).....he was very nice to reply:

                    Onree Gill ‏@OnreeGill 1h
@Ge0RgeC0TteN yes I did. Thank you very much!!
Title: Re: Miley Cyrus "Fall Down" string part......
Post by: melodicmoonlight on June 25, 2013, 09:29:30 AM
Quote from: georg_e on April 24, 2013, 06:22:53 PM
                From Dr. Luke Twitter today...     Dr. Luke Doctor Luke ‏@TheDoctorLuke 12h
Working on miley record ... Sounding good !!! http://yfrog.com/hslszfaj

                  Photo shows string section in studio......real live instruments is coming baaack, yes!!!!  :D

Miley covers the current issue of Billboard magazine. posted on the 14th, here's some info about the song she did w/Luke:

QuoteEdge is particularly excited about "Wrecking Ball"-a defiant power ballad produced by Dr. Luke with a thrilling vocal performance. "We were inspired by OneĀ­Republic, and the way Timbaland used to do those big ballads," Cyrus says. Edge adds: "When Miley came to us she had really good songs already, including 'Wrecking Ball,' which blew us away. It could be a career song for her."

http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/pop-shop/1567023/miley-cyrus-20-the-billboard-cover-story?page=0%2C1