Max and the other Cheiron guys..
Imagine you were able to make an interview with the.
What would you ask?
:)
Very good question Turnaround!
I have a lot of questions!
I wonder if Max is competitive? as in does he watch the Charts and really want to get to No.1? (or just happy to create the best song he can)
What music does Max listen to at home?
What artist does he really want to work with but hasn't yet?
well, I have more questions than that, but will think about it then post more perhaps.
I would really like to hear what others would ask too!
I would wanna know if they're bothered by question-asking fans!
Quote from: "®a|ÑßØw÷¢H!LÐ"I would wanna know if they're bothered by question-asking fans!
Obsessed. :roll:
Quote from: "turnaround"Obsessed. :roll:
Are you?
Sorry to hear that! :-x
Anyway
I would like to know
- If there is a song they wish they had written (Jörgen said he wish he wrote "If you're not the one" by Daniel Bedingfield)
- What they consider as their best song in their career
- The song they thought would become a hit, but flopped
- Songs they are ashamed of now
- How they think the future of the music industry will look like
I'd like to know what VST and/ or keyboard patch he uses for the "b'wow" sounds in: Larger Than Life, It's Gotta Be You, Oops, Don't Want You Back, It's My Life, etc.
Quote from: "®a|ÑßØw÷¢H!LÐ"I would wanna know if they're bothered by question-asking fans!
Do you think many people would email them questions? Has anyone emailed them ever? I have considered it, then haven't as I don't want to be a stalker, but maybe one day I'll send a letter.
Quote from: "emjay"I'd like to know what VST and/ or keyboard patch he uses for the "b'wow" sounds in: Larger Than Life, It's Gotta Be You, Oops, Don't Want You Back, It's My Life, etc.
Richie Sambora uses a talkbox, I think Max used it too :roll:
'Everyone wants to know how Richie Sambora makes those sounds on "Livin' On A Prayer" or what Richie Sambora is doing when it looks like he's singing into a plastic tube. Well, he's using a talkbox. First made popular by Peter Frampton in the 70's, Sambora used it in the 80's and it has since become part of a signature sound associated with Bon Jovi. A talkbox is a device that produces a "talking guitar sound". Richie can produce vowel-like sounds, as well as consonants, words and/or phrases. The talkbox works on the principle of of producing sound and directing it into the mouth of the performer. The performer's lips and vocal cavities modulate and shape the sound. The resulting "talking guitar" output is then fed through a microphone and from there is amplified through the PA system (or recorded in the studio.)'
[from www.bonjovi.com]
this sound is played by a Synth.. i saw that in a backstreet boys ' show
Which artist do you HATE????
Do you like pizza? :D
Quote from: "Alex Martin"Which artist do you HATE????
Yes, I would like to know that too!
and if they like Pizza is a very good question!
I Like Pizza :D
Quote from: "Rebecca"Quote from: "®a|ÑßØw÷¢H!LÐ"I would wanna know if they're bothered by question-asking fans!
Do you think many people would email them questions? Has anyone emailed them ever? I have considered it, then haven't as I don't want to be a stalker, but maybe one day I'll send a letter.
Yes, I do think so. That's how fans are, unfortunately...
I'm saying unfortunately cause I think the more "stupid" questions they are being asked, the less eager & motivated they are talking to fans.
Since I found them on myspace (and added them) I bothered only Herbie with one tiny little message once, and I even felt kinda stupid with that, cause hell... they got better things to do! And now if you think of the amounts of messages you get when you're famous and the amounts of stupid, unnecessary questions among those then it doesn't surprise me that at one point they stop bothering to reply to those messages.
I mean, no offence but, imagine you'd be a famous record producer and you gave a "fan" the opportunity to interview you and s/he came up with questions like "do you like pizza?"... I would ask myself if that person actually cares for my work.
Hate me, but that's just my opinion...
Maybe something else I should tell to explain myself with that opinion:
Back then when we met Ace of Base's Jonas in his studio we were 4 "fans". We sat together having some cake and a couple drinks and talked about his music when all of a sudden one of "us 4 fans" started freakin' out (in my opinion he did!) going: "oh my god I love your sister so much, her voice is so amazing and oh my god oh my god I love her soooo much!".
Let me tell you, I was hardly ever so embarrassed in my life before. Just because I was sitting there with him, being one of those "fans".
They are surely not that humorless like you.
And don't take anything too serious.
Savan was very nice when I talked to him on MSN and did the interview, and I am sure most of them are down to earth.
But I think there is a reason why they are not in the spotlight and they just don't want to. But I don't have a problem asking them something on myspace. Alexandraa was very sweet for example.
And if they are annoyed they just don't need to answer.
I guess they are more uncomfortable by fans coming to visit them.
Quote from: "maxmartin'sfan"this sound is played by a Synth.. i saw that in a backstreet boys ' show
I saw that.. I'm pretty sure it was a sample of the sound
Oh my God mister Rainbow....... Do you know the meaning of the words"SENSE OF HUMOUR"?????????
Smile in your life.You are too serious. Drink a glass of good wine.....it can help you..... :D smile smile smile.....
I think the songwriters that have a myspace don't have a problem with fans or else why would they have a myspace? the whole point of myspace is to connect with people and as Turnaround says, if they don't want to answer the questions, they don't have to.
Having said that I very much doubt I will ever message one of them.
I'm sure they would have a sense of humour and maybe even find it funny to be asked if they like pizza.
Quote from: "turnaround"They are surely not that humorless like you.
And don't take anything too serious.
I don't. Rebecca seriously asked me a question and I seriously answered it. :-)
Quote from: "turnaround"Savan was very nice when I talked to him on MSN and did the interview, and I am sure most of them are down to earth.
Yeah, sure. I remember you showed it to me and it was all about the music. That's what I'm saying! Thanks anyways.
Quote from: "turnaround"I guess they are more uncomfortable by fans coming to visit them.
Doubt that happens as often as getting a myspace message! ;-)
Quote from: "Alex Martin"Oh my God mister Rainbow....... Do you know the meaning of the words"SENSE OF HUMOUR"?????????
Yes I do! :-D
But (as I stated above), usually if I get a serious question I'm trying to answer it seriously! :-)
Quote from: "Alex Martin"Smile in your life.You are too serious. Drink a glass of good wine.....it can help you..... :D smile smile smile.....
I don't drink wine. I smile loads! :-D And I ain't no too serious *lol*. Let me refer to the Avril thread about Bush/BinLaden/Ghandi. I laughed like 5 minutes about my own joke. *lol* Pathetic you say? Nah. I had my good fun with it! ;-)
As if I showed you my MSN conversation with him. :lol:
But that's not the point here.
Oh and by the way: Being humourless and being serious are two different things.
Dear Max Martin -
Why can't you produce a single song by yourself? :?
Why are your lyrics so incredibly atrocious and sappy?
& why did you claim full authorship of 'Baby One More Time' when we both know Denniz wrote the music?
Why are you so money-hungry & dare to have the audacity to leave poor Herbie out in the cold and refuse to pay him for all the songs he wrote with you & Denniz? As well as closing Cheiron and opening crappy Murlyn just so you could get out of paying Denniz's widow any Cheiron profits?
Quote from: "princessofegypt"Dear Max Martin -
Why can't you produce a single song by yourself? :?
Why are your lyrics so incredibly atrocious and sappy?
& why did you claim full authorship of 'Baby One More Time' when we both know Denniz wrote the music?
Why are you so money-hungry & dare to have the audacity to leave poor Herbie out in the cold and refuse to pay him for all the songs he wrote with you & Denniz? As well as closing Cheiron and opening crappy Murlyn just so you could get out of paying Denniz's widow any Cheiron profits?
Wow, you really don't like Max Martin do you? haha, not sure exactly why you're here then, but hey, no matter. I'm always up for discussion about Max!
Out of curiousity, how do you know Denniz wrote the music for Baby One More Time? can you provide a source? Did you know Denniz?
Do you know for sure that Max didn't pay Herbie? apart from the Fox News article?
How do you know he opened Murlyn? Max, Rami and Tom Tolomaa opened Maratone, I wasn't aware Max also opened Murlyn. Why do you think Murlyn is crappy?
I'm very interested to know, thanks!
Did "hits" register under a new username?! :roll: *lol*
Oh, I got one too:
Dear Max Martin,
why does everything you touch sell gold & platinum no matter if it's pop, rock or whatever?? *lol*
Oh and:
Dear Max Martin,
did you know you own Murlyn too? *lmao*
Quote from: "®a|ÑßØw÷¢H!LÐ"Did "hits" register under a new username?! :roll: *lol*
haha, I don't think so, though I wish! hits is pretty decent i think, not rude.
QuoteDear Max Martin -
Why are your lyrics so incredibly atrocious and sappy?
princessofegypt, I'm curious, how many number one songs have you written?
Hey there everyone! I don't hate Max Martin but there is truth to what Princess of Egypt is saying, sorry! First of all, Denniz PoP did compose the (music only) for ...Baby one more time. Max did write the lyrics. Even Britney herself thanked Denniz in the liner notes of her first album saying " To Denniz PoP : Your memory lives on in the beautiful music you wrote for me, thank you ". Hmmm, I wonder what "music" she was talking about??? Here's the story behind the song (...Baby). Denniz PoP wrote the music for "Tell me what you like" by Jessica Folker, he also did all the beats, played all the keyboards, and produced that song. At the same time he wrote the music for that song he did the music for (...Baby). These songs were some of the very last compostions of Denniz before he died. Just listen to the two songs back to back(especialy the instrumental versions!!!). The beat is exactly the same in "...Baby " as it is in "Tell me" and the piano is VERY much Denniz! It's so obvious and ANYONE that has ears will be able to hear it! Denniz and Max originaly wrote (...Baby) together (Denniz the music and Max the lyrics) for TLC but somehow it wound up being used for Britney. Denniz was a very kind and caring person, he was very sick at this time and knew he might not be around and most likely gave the right's to the song to Max before he died. Anyone who knows Denniz's music, LISTEN TO BOTH SONGS and you will hear that it is Denniz that wrote the music and I'm sure is playing some of the instruments (Drums, Piano, Strings...) on ...Baby one more time. And how do I know Denniz's music so well??? I've listened to him since I was 10 years old! 1992!!! Im 25 now so that's a long time. Also, there were ALOT of productions at Cheiron that not everyone was credited completely in black and white on. For example, they don't list Andreas Carlsson for backing vocals on EVERY song he sings on, even Max! Like BSB, *NSYNC, Five, and Westlife... Why do you think the vocals for those groups all sound the same??? Because Max, Andreas, Anders Von Hoffsten (a session singer), Nana Hedin, Jeanette S. (and Olsson), and a few more are all singing on those productions. I could go on and on... My point is not everybody has 100% proper credit on many productions from Cheiron and many other studios where there is a big production crew and team work is involved. I quote Max Martin about the situation at Cheiron, "You would just walk around and someone would say "hey I need a tambourine here" and you would do it" That's how it was at Cheiron... :!: :!: :!:
I definitely see your point.
And of course the songs are pretty similar no doubt.
And I am always fascinated on how many records you can find credits still from Jeanette Olsson (who is a writer also and has solo songs), and Anders von Hofsten (same here), but I had no idea they didn't get their credit sometimes.
Is there a reason they didn't mention them sometimes?
They still had to pay them obviously.
And I always wondered why "Baby one more time" didn't include any co-songwriter as this was very untypical for Max and he has not written a hit song alone after it I think, so it does all make sense now....
Yes, I'm sure everyone was payed well for all the hard work they did at Cheiron. :D The reason that they don't mention ALL the backup vocalist that are on every song is it might look bad to the record buying public for if let's say a boy band with five guys that are ALL supposed to be singing on their record still need the help of professional backing vocals... You know, it all comes down to marketing. :wink:
That makes sense.. :D
Thanks Tommy, that is all very interesting. It probably doesn't surprise me either because as Turnaround says Max doens't write alone too often. Though he did write the hit As Long As You Love Me for BSB (well per credits it's just him).
Yeah, I often wondered what Britney was meaning when she talked about Denniz, and can imagine Denniz wasn't thinking much about songwriting credits near the end.
Interesting about the backing singers too, shame they didn't get credit for their work all the time, it doesn't bother me if BSB etc didn't do all vocals, but as you say - it's all about marketing.
Hey everyone! Yes, as I said before it all comes down to image and marketing, especialy when it comes to boy band's and so on. I don't mind at all that Max, Andreas and crew are singing uncredited backup vocals for BSB, *NSYNC, Five, and Westlife. I love their voices!!! It's really them that you hear singing most of the time in all those groups. As far as Max Martin writing "As long as you love me" for BSB all by himself, I'm sure he wrote the lyrics, melody, and chord structure. However, he did produce that song together with Kristian Lundin. And Kristian is the one doing all the beats and playing keyboard most of the time in all Max Martin/Kristian Lundin productions, ( "Tearin' up my heart", "I want it that way") and so on. So I'm sure they collaberated somewhat with the musical arrangements for that song. As well as "Quit playing games (with my heart)" a VERY similar song (musicly) that Max also produced together with Kristian. And I'm not dis-crediting Max, that's just how things work in music production. Especialy when you are producing a song together with someone else. The other persons musical influence and ideas are always bound to wind up in the final production of your song. :wink:
Yes it must be quite irritating for some people to see lots of background vocalist credits if you consider you have a 5 piece boyband singing.
But I am sure background vocals are a special art it's better to have some very talented and experienced group of people who are doing these.
And concerning "As long as you love me", I guess it is very difficult to say when exactly someone deserves an songwriting credit, when he is producing a song. I am sure the producer has some suggestions concerning the music and the melody/chord structure but not anytime they get an songwriting credit for it.
Yes, very true. I'm sure producers do influence the song even though they may not have written it. I'm sure it's possible Kristian influenced As Long As You Love Me. I suppose it's a very fine line between influencing a song and writing it to get the songwriting credit as well.
Tommy or anyone, while we're on this topic, I have always wondered something. Backstreet Boys have in the past devoted their song Show Me The Meaning of Being Lonely to Denniz Pop and have even said that this was the last song that they worked on with Denniz, yet the songwriting credits are Max Martin/Herbie Crichlow, produced by Max and Kristian.
Does anyone know what the story was there? Did Denniz co-write it? or help produce it and just didn't end up getting the credit?
Hey Rebecca and everyone, BSB's "Show me" was not written by Denniz. Denniz passed away in August 1998, and he was not doing well months before that and was unable to work on any new projects at that time. BSB's "Show me" and the "Millennium" album was not released until after Denniz died. At that same time Cheiron was very busy with so many projects all at once, like E-Type's "Last man standing" album wich was supposed to be released in August 1998 but Denniz's death actualy postponed the release of that album. Both "Millennium" and "Last man standing" were dedicated to Denniz. And many dedication songs were written in honor of him. "Show me" was Herbie Crichlow's lyrical dedication to Denniz (Max and Kristian's) musicly. The Backstreet Boys dedicated the music video of "Show me" to Denniz. In the music video, the bus the boys are riding in has the destination "Denniz Street" on it. That was their dedication to him. On E-Type's "Last man standing" album there was an address to send money to for the "Denniz PoP fund" for cancer research, also E-Type himself composed "PoP Preludium" an instrumental tribute to Denniz on his "Last man standing" album. Another example is Westlife's "Soledad" from the "Coast to coast" album where in the lyrics to that song, Andreas Carlsson explains what a 'empty place' it (Cheiron) had come to be and 'In my heart you were the only' and 'your memory lives on'. That was sort of Andreas's tribute and way of coping with the loss of Denniz. On the BSB "Millennium" album Max also did "It's gotta be you" (Where he's singing very loudly on the chorus!!!). And that was a riff on Denniz's 3T song "Gotta be you", that was another tribute to him. Even Denniz's ex-girlfriend Jessica Folcker named the album she did after Denniz died "Dino" (her nickname for Denniz) in memory of him. I could go on and on... I hope I answered your question well enough! :D
I don't think Denniz produced or wrote Show Me. However, I once read some article about Backstreet that said Denniz did hear "Show Me" before he died.. I imagine it was just the early music. Then after he died, I suppose they wrote the lyrics to it, perhaps with Denniz in mind.
Wow, thanks Tommy and thanks Princess. I knew some of the tributes by BSB and E-Type and Jessica but I had never thought about Soledad nor about the BSB song It's Gotta Be You.
Tommy, feel free to go on.
Oh so many new things I have never heard, very interesting.
Especially the story behind "Soledad" and "It's gotta be you" are news to me.
If you have any more background knowledge about songs it would be lovely if you'd share, I have no idea where to find these sort of information on the internet :wink:
With the but in the SMTMOBL I noticed back then and that Dino reference of Jessica I also read back then.
Does anyone know which sort of cancer he had :(
Hello again everyone! I do know of one more good example for tribute songs to Denniz. On the E-Type song "Morning Light" from the "Last man standing" album, Kristian Lundin wrote the lyrics for that song (one of the few songs he's written lyrics for) and in the lyric and story inside the song he says "Once upon a time I was a young man, always knew what I wanted to do" "Then one day I met you and I still wonder, how you can make my dreams come true so fast" "I doubt that such a miracle would happen, but you saw something deep inside of me" "I believe in the morning light, when I know you'll be calling" I believe in the morning light, when I know you'll be there" I believe in the morning light, when I know I will see your face again you will be free, and you'll be there... So here in this song Kristian is expressing how Denniz saw something deep inside of him. And how Denniz took him under his wing and made his dreams come true so fast! Which is all very true indeed!!! Kristian was young and full of raw talent when Denniz hired him on at Cheiron. Denniz saw his potential early on and knew what he was capable of doing with his music. Kristian first met Denniz through Dr. Alban. Kristian and John A. were out shopping for records one day and just happened to stop by a clothing shop (run by Dr. Alban) which was on the way to another record store. Well as the story goes, they happened to have a music demo of theirs with them. They played the demo for Dr. Alban and were signed on the spot!!! The first result of that was "Amadin" and the song "Take me up (Alrabaiye)", Kristian sold enough to earn a gold record in Sweden! Then Denniz asked him to join Cheiron and the rest is history... :D
(http://a405.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/41/l_2afaa61a3fcca443a87d38cf854cd154.jpg)
Wow, so much detail.
How great for Kristian, it seems it was just meant to be.
Quote from: "turnaround"
Does anyone know which sort of cancer he had :(
I don't want to seem morbid but does anyone know what cancer?
Thanks Tommy for that story about Kristian, I didn't know that.
This pic is so lovely, it just screams "GOOD TIMES" :(
Who is the other girl on that pic?
Quote from: "turnaround"This pic is so lovely, it just screams "GOOD TIMES" :(
Who is the other girl on that pic?
its max martin :lol: .....hihi its DEDE Deniz Lopez....you must heard My Lover
Haha, oh yes I've heard of her, but couldn't tell you from that pic.
Thanks, what is she up to now?
I want to add further to the "Show Me The Meaning Of Being Lonely" question.. I did find a site where it does say that Backstreet said "Show Me" was the last song they did with Denniz. Here's part of the interview:
MSNLive_Host : which song do you wish you wrote?
BackstreetBoys : aj: i'd really wish i wrote: show me the meaning of being lonely
BackstreetBoys : it's a great song and the last one we did with denniz pop
Hm... and like I said before I had read that Denniz did hear the song before he died. So I dunno. The song just doesn't sound like Denniz's production or anything to me though. Maybe they were misquoted or they were confused or something. :?
Quote from: "Rebecca"Quote from: "turnaround"
Does anyone know which sort of cancer he had :(
I don't want to seem morbid but does anyone know what cancer?
Thanks Tommy for that story about Kristian, I didn't know that.
From what I've heard it was stomach cancer. And that he died from the drugs he got to ease the pain...
omg thats terrible :(
so sad.....
It says prostata... at wikipedia.
But you never know there..
That's sad. He only knew he had cancer since December 1997. It creeped upon him really fast.
That's sad, so fast.
Quote from: "princessofegypt"I want to add further to the "Show Me The Meaning Of Being Lonely" question.. I did find a site where it does say that Backstreet said "Show Me" was the last song they did with Denniz. Here's part of the interview:
MSNLive_Host : which song do you wish you wrote?
BackstreetBoys : aj: i'd really wish i wrote: show me the meaning of being lonely
BackstreetBoys : it's a great song and the last one we did with denniz pop
Hm... and like I said before I had read that Denniz did hear the song before he died. So I dunno. The song just doesn't sound like Denniz's production or anything to me though. Maybe they were misquoted or they were confused or something. :?
yeah, perhaps Denniz listened to it and said it was a great song and maybe made some sort of suggestion and BSB have just taken that to be that he worked on it.
btw Princess, sorry I was rude to you early on when you joined the forum, I was just taken aback with the the couple of negative comments and over-reacted and feel a bit stupid about it now. I can see that you're quite the Cheiron music fan!
Quote from: "turnaround"I definitely see your point.
And of course the songs are pretty similar no doubt.
And I always wondered why "Baby one more time" didn't include any co-songwriter as this was very untypical for Max and he has not written a hit song alone after it I think, so it does all make sense now....
dont want you back written by Max
dont wane lose you know written by Max
as long as you love me written by Max
10 000 promises written by Max
.....I think he can write a hit song by himself
i must say this. don´t wane lose you......grrrr it must be the best song ever.....so beautiful, want to cry
Quote from: "turnaround"This pic is so lovely, it just screams "GOOD TIMES" :(
Yes it does.
And it screams
"PUT KRISTIAN TO A HOT BATH BEFORE HE FREEZES TO DEATH!!" :-#
Quote from: "nicky26"i must say this. don´t wane lose you......grrrr it must be the best song ever.....so beautiful, want to cry
I often felt the same about "Don't Wanna Lose You Now"!
Quote from: "®a|ÑßØw÷¢H!LÐ"Quote from: "nicky26"i must say this. don´t wane lose you......grrrr it must be the best song ever.....so beautiful, want to cry
I often felt the same about "Don't Wanna Lose You Now"!
me too - a beautiful song and I love the lyrics so much.
If I could ask him anythig I'd wait until I had my best demo ever. I'd ask him to tell me what he thought about it, and if he liked it I'd ask him if I had any chance at all to have practical training with maratone. How about that?
^ Great Question! :D
Quote from: "Massproductions"If I could ask him anythig I'd wait until I had my best demo ever. I'd ask him to tell me what he thought about it, and if he liked it I'd ask him if I had any chance at all to have practical training with maratone. How about that?
That is a great question. I'm sure there would be a lot of songwriters who would love to get his opinion too.
I would like to know if there is any other songwriter in the world he would like to work with that he hasn't? as we know Max seems to like to collaborate more than writing solo.
Quote from: "Rebecca"Quote from: "Massproductions"If I could ask him anythig I'd wait until I had my best demo ever. I'd ask him to tell me what he thought about it, and if he liked it I'd ask him if I had any chance at all to have practical training with maratone. How about that?
That is a great question. I'm sure there would be a lot of songwriters who would love to get his opinion too.
I would like to know if there is any other songwriter in the world he would like to work with that he hasn't? as we know Max seems to like to collaborate more than writing solo.
I think he would like to collaborate with many peaple. For many songwriters the fun is to be creative togeather with other peaple. Often you learn something new from the other person. But it's a good question. In that case I'd like to know which person/artist, and if there are some songwriter that he admires.
I agree with many posts that Denniz was the co-producer for "...Baby One More Time". So why on Earth does Rami have the co-production credit on the CD? This was something I noticed too back in late 1998 when Britney's first CD came out and Britney thanks Denniz, but I couldn't figure what "for what?" she was thanking him on her album. Also back then, this forum did not exist and there was no way to "do research" on this, other than accept it for what it said on the CD.
That song is IDENTICAL to Jessica's "Tell What You Like" and if Denniz co-produced that track, there is NO DOUBT in my mind he co-produced "...Baby One More Time" with Max.
In fact, there is NO mention of Denniz whatsoever...I am really angry about that. Is that anyway to honor the memory of one the greatest producers of all time?
Like I said earlier, Denniz's music is what caught my "ear" and it is through Denniz, that Max started working on major hits for upcoming artists (Ace of Base) for example. Those two were the greatest team.
I agree Max may have solely written "...Baby One More Time" BUT the production credit should be Denniz and then Max. Where does Rami come in? I don't believe Max even knew Rami back then.
Hi ANJ and welcome to the forum
I don't know anything other than what's written on the cd sleeve. Denniz Pop must have done something for Britney to thank him. Perhaps Denniz was sick at the time and just didn't worry about getting the credits? i don't know.
I have read that the first song that Rami worked on with Max was Baby One More time and their partnership continued from there.
Quote from: "Rebecca"Hi ANJ and welcome to the forum
I don't know anything other than what's written on the cd sleeve. Denniz Pop must have done something for Britney to thank him. Perhaps Denniz was sick at the time and just didn't worry about getting the credits? i don't know.
I have read that the first song that Rami worked on with Max was Baby One More time and their partnership continued from there.
i´ll guess we never know, but i think that rami did produced baby one more time..maybe britney just wane thanks denniz because he was cheiron he started the hole thing or something like that.
i guess we'll never know for sure, but one thing we can is listen to the songs "side-by-side". First Britney and then Jessica and then Jessica and again Britney. It is clear and confirmed that Rami had no role in writing nor in producing Jessica's "Tell Me What You Like". We know that the main beat for Jessica's song was that of the collaboration of Denniz and Max and it is clear as crystal that Max has used the same beat in Britney's "...Baby One More Time". In fact both songs have the same structures as well - Verse, Bridge, etc...So after listening carefully we see that Rami has assisted in only some of the synthetic sound production. Basically you have to analyse the song bit by bit, and anything in Jessica's song that sounds similar to Britney's song is the work of Denniz and Max. Both songs slow down near the end and there is a slight difference in the instruments used but both recover in the same way with the same twist in the following lyrics which were used in the chorus. This repeats twice with BOTH songs going flat (amazing production) before the chorus is heard one last time. Another interesting fact: Jessica's song is only 3 seconds longer than Britney's. So there you go - it is essentially the SAME song just a LITTLE difference in the use/intensity of synthetic sounds.
What we can conclude is basically Rami uses much louder synthetic sound production (if he really did co-produce "...Baby One More Time") and he uses more staccato in the music. I strongly suggest that everyone have a listen to some of the songs produced by Rami ALONE ( eg. Westlife) and see if you can hear the difference. So although there is some evidence that Rami contributed to the production of "...Baby One More Time" the overwhelming majority of both songs are the work of Denniz PoP and Max Martin.
I apologize about being so specific but I really believe that credit should be given when it's due. Max has used most, if not all, the music structure of his collaboration with Denniz in Jessica's song and has applied it to Britney's song. Denniz co-produced "...Baby One More Time"
Point well put!
Perhaps it is also right to say that Denniz massively influenced 'one more time', maybe not physically being involved.
You could use the same arguement with 'Lucky'. You could say that whoever produced 'stand by me' by ben e. king, co produced 'Lucky', where in fact it is obvious that it only massively influences the track.
Hey but whatever Denniz did and did not do, lets face it, Cheiron et al would never have been anything with out him, and his influence or co production will stay with everything that is produced by anyone of the former Cheiron guys.
I would ask simply how he decided to do this type of music as good
Right now I wonder if Max is nervous/anxious to see how successful Lesley Roy will be, as I imagine he's devoted a lot of time with her, I wonder if he's really hoping for a No.1, how competitive he is.
Very good question!
I guess it's really different in this case, as he is probably some kind of mentor.
Lesley reminds me a bit of Britney. They both start their career with a Max song.
I hope she have a great succesful , she is a great singer
I would like to know why they Max didn't produce "Siberia" himself?
It's produced by Christian Nilsson and Johan Brorson at Maratone.
Does anyone know them?
That is a great question! I never really noticed that. Max must have been busy?
I don't know who they are, but maybe they work at Maratone.
I searched around and couldn't see much about them
I found that they both produced Ana Johnsson's "Don't Cry For Pain" which Max wrote.
Johan Brorson produced Darin's "Stand By Me"
Christian Nilsson co-produced E-Type's "Paradise"
Anyone know anything else?
Really nice thread that for some unknown reason had never caught my attention!
After the very first question that would naturally be "Will you marry me?" :P , the other ones would be:
- How do you choose the artists you want to work with?
- Do you actually choose them or record companies usually go to you first?
- Do you really write what you like or what you think people will buy?
- Are you always inspired or are you sometimes stressed out your music won't be successful?
- How much money do you make (without being curious)?
- Would you like to work again with Britney?
Of course, i'd have many others, but here are the main ones I can think of as for now... ;)
if he ever will return to his original r&b/pop sound
Do you write about things you like? What inspires you? ;)