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Hey guys!
As you know, the style of Max's songs had evolved a lot since the beginning of his career...
Thought it'd be interesting to discuss which kind of songs written by him you prefer and why.
You can have multiple choice (up to 3) as I know one choice would have been too hard! :P
Hope you agree with my classification and of course, that you'll enjoy this poll!

Good votes!   ;)


As far as I'm concerned, I went for:
- Insane uptempo songs, pure Cheiron pop: they're just my favourite songs ever, if I play one song, i need to repeat it and I feel the need to sing and dance! "All you people can't you see can't you see!!!" They're my car music...lol
- Classic Cheiron midtempo songs: I love how they sound: perfect melodies in the chorus, really catchy and great rythm in the verses... so perfectly Cheiron in all senses!
- "Typical" Maratone : my favourite kind of songs today, really powerful pop/rock, great vocals and energy! potential hits for every song like this... :D

3 choices is not enough! I wanted to tick them all!

So, I went with Insane Uptempo Songs - The Call is just unbelievable, very original
Classic Cheiron Midtempo - my favourite all time song is Shape of My Heart
and Maratone pop - no reason except for love those songs.

-first , I love the uptempo pop songs of cheiron it is for me the best kind of music has been done ever .
-second , I love too the midtempo songs as I want it that way o shape of my heart
- third , the cheiron balladas , I love so much dont wanna lose you now
- if I could to choose a fourth election , the maratone pop rock is other kind of music that I love , behind these hazel eyes , its my life or end of me , I love so much it  ;D

What a good idea for a poll, well done Sabine.

I went for

Classic Cheiron midtempo songs
Cheiron melancholic ballads
Maratone's pop


I was tempted to chose Maratone's ballads too, but I think these three categories include all my favourite songs and the strongest songwriting so far.

Quite hard to decide of course, but I decide considering how much the song has touched me. 

I loved the poll idea Sabine!

I would DEFINITELY with out any certain doubt go for "Insane uptempo songs, pure Cheiron pop (ex: Larger than life, The call, Crazy, Stonger..." That's why I love the guys"
I also like them for this:
Classic Cheiron midtempo songs "ex: Shape of my heart, Lucky, How will I know, That's the way it is"

Ahhhhh Sabine u reminded me of the great days!!

But...how Overprotected can be compared to If That's OK With You here:
Maratone's pop (Stand by me, If that's ok with you, Overprotected, Cinderella...)

Overprotected is a crazy uptempo track, should've been in the first category!!

Quote from: Feelgoodlies on August 05, 2008, 07:33:28 PM
I loved the poll idea Sabine!

I would DEFINITELY with out any certain doubt go for "Insane uptempo songs, pure Cheiron pop (ex: Larger than life, The call, Crazy, Stonger..." That's why I love the guys"
I also like them for this:
Classic Cheiron midtempo songs "ex: Shape of my heart, Lucky, How will I know, That's the way it is"

Ahhhhh Sabine u reminded me of the great days!!

But...how Overprotected can be compared to If That's OK With You here:
Maratone's pop (Stand by me, If that's ok with you, Overprotected, Cinderella...)

Overprotected is a crazy uptempo track, should've been in the first category!!

Yes, but Overprotected and Cinderella is not Cheiron. They were the first songs written at Maratone with NSYNC's Just don't tell me that...
Anyways, I think you're right in a way because Max's production for Brit's 3rd album was really special, a kind of bridge between Cheiron and Maratone and fitting Brit's musical transition perfectly! That's why I love him: he knows how to contribute to the artists!

I'm really happy you enjoy my poll by the way! :D

Oh cool Poll , I voted

Insane uptempo songs, pure Cheiron pop ,This is my type of music
also Classic Cheiron midtempo songs is great , and the maratones POP is very special LOVED britney works on britney the album , and Darin Stand by me is so catchy

Well everything!

But especially, the uptempo dance (E-Type!), midtempo cheiron and maratone. Yeah!

Great poll. :)

Interesting you picked dance songs! I feel that their dance songs have been pretty much low credited, especially E-Type that has a bad image in Sweden. People say all his songs sound the same and he's also considered boring... Anyways, i don't care.
In general, I notice that people prefer the old pop sound to Maratone's rockier edge (like me)...Nostalgia?

yeah, i like dance songs :)

e-type might have a bad image, but his single still shot to number one! i like his songs cos the vocals sit right in your face when you listen to them. They are upfront in the mix (at least in the songs i like), rather like M-people (wow she has a monster voice) or La Bouche (another monster voice) in Sweet Dreams.

Yeah, i like the older stuff partly cos of nostalgia. Flooding me with memories.

I know max always wanted to take his pop to a rockier, edgier direction (as he is currently doing), i think he said he loved the goo goo dolls but wanted to make it even edgier. I love the newer stuff (esp. the kelly clarkson/pink stuff) too :D and i think he must really like lesley's voice!

Its funny cos lesley has such a sweet voice in her live version of unbeautiful, but the recorded version has her voice sound like its mixed with gravel; very emotive and i prefer that version. Sort of the opposite of what linda perry asked christina aguilera to do in "beautiful" lol. Now linda perry, there's another good writer/producer. :D

Quote from: secski on August 13, 2008, 02:51:31 PM
yeah, i like dance songs :)

e-type might have a bad image, but his single still shot to number one! i like his songs cos the vocals sit right in your face when you listen to them. They are upfront in the mix (at least in the songs i like), rather like M-people (wow she has a monster voice) or La Bouche (another monster voice) in Sweet Dreams.

Yeah, i like the older stuff partly cos of nostalgia. Flooding me with memories.

I know max always wanted to take his pop to a rockier, edgier direction (as he is currently doing), i think he said he loved the goo goo dolls but wanted to make it even edgier. I love the newer stuff (esp. the kelly clarkson/pink stuff) too :D and i think he must really like lesley's voice!

Its funny cos lesley has such a sweet voice in her live version of unbeautiful, but the recorded version has her voice sound like its mixed with gravel; very emotive and i prefer that version. Sort of the opposite of what linda perry asked christina aguilera to do in "beautiful" lol. Now linda perry, there's another good writer/producer. :D

Can you explain what you meant about the Christina comment?  :P Are you saying it's not "emotive"? If you knew anything about that song, & what Linda had Christina do, you'd know that the vocals were the original demo of the first time she sang it, as to give it a REAL emotional quality, vs a glossed over production.

Christina fought her on it since she's a perfectionist but Linda won. lol

Hi princessofegypt, nice to meetcha.

yeah, that is exactly what im referring to... we musta read the same article! i think lesley's voice was 'produced' to sound that way on unbeautiful whereas christina's was the first take. I know both were 'produced' to sound that way, but i cant think of a better word at the moment. :)

Anyways, I think Max loves big productions. Contrary to other producers who prefer "rough original" voices, he will spend hours editing. I remember Britney saying "he's very hard on you on the vocals". And with her, he must have spent so much time making her voice sound good (which is most of the time very hard (i'm a huge britney fan, i'm not bashing). Before britney released baby one more time, I read they spent 6 months to invent her sound and how she'd sound herself...hence this "cracky" voice, especially in her 2 first albums. This is the same with other artists: the backstreet boys. i'm sure Max is singing behind them if a voice is missing, don't forget he's a great background singer and often sings in the song he produces.

yeah i agree! Max's productions are COMPLICATED!

Underneath the major hooks which he focuses our attention on so well, he intricately weaves another level; deconstructing just the midi replicas of his songs is enough to show you wow, he really really knows his stuff, especially his harmonies wow.

Quote from: *Sabine* on August 14, 2008, 09:23:21 AM
Anyways, I think Max loves big productions. Contrary to other producers who prefer "rough original" voices, he will spend hours editing. I remember Britney saying "he's very hard on you on the vocals". And with her, he must have spent so much time making her voice sound good (which is most of the time very hard (i'm a huge britney fan, i'm not bashing). Before britney released baby one more time, I read them spent 6 months to invent her sound and how she'd sound herself...hence this "cracky" voice, especially in her 2 first albums. This is the same with other artists: the backstreet boys. i'm sure Max is singing behind them if a voice is missing, don't forget he's a great background singer and often sings in the song he produces.

i LOVE your loyalty to Britney  :)

Well, I have always loved Britney, in spite of all the bad things she did and that happenedc to her. i recognize she may not have the best voice but I still love how she uses it! She is a great entertainer, dancer and is really sweet... And yes, of course, I LOVE her songs! :D

when bsb get to work with him i don't think they should invite Dr.Luke to be in the studios with them cause they want a pop sound not a rock sound

Dr Luke is not necessarily rock. His work with Pink and Katy Perry is pop/rock, even only pop if we consider the paris Hilton's or Sugababes' songs, but it's not the sweet bubblegum of Cheiron of course. Even Max by himself often does a rockier sound now: Carolina Liar (true rock for me). The BSB's Never Gone album was also pop/rock and yet, there was no Dr Luke. I think Luke is a very very good songwriter and does brilliant catchy songs. Maybe it's what BSB need to come back. The rockier collaboration between Max and the BSB on Never Gone was not successful and I think that if they don't change the "recipe", they're doomed...

I love Max writing the classic Cheiron sound too! but I love a lot of the Max/Luke songs - Since U Been Gone, the Pink songs, Bo Bice's Lie It's Alright - well so many songs! I think the rock sound has been driven by Max as well as Dr Luke.

Quote from: Rebecca on August 28, 2008, 01:56:12 PMBo Bice

Sorry, but this artist's name is so funny in Swedish. (Bice meanse poo/poop.)  ;D

Quote from: *Sabine* on August 28, 2008, 09:30:52 AM
Dr Luke is not necessarily rock. His work with Pink and Katy Perry is pop/rock, even only pop if we consider the paris Hilton's or Sugababes' songs, but it's not the sweet bubblegum of Cheiron of course. Even Max by himself often does a rockier sound now: Carolina Liar (true rock for me). The BSB's Never Gone album was also pop/rock and yet, there was no Dr Luke. I think Luke is a very very good songwriter and does brilliant catchy songs. Maybe it's what BSB need to come back. The rockier collaboration between Max and the BSB on Never Gone was not successful and I think that if they don't change the "recipe", they're doomed...

Are you serious? Dr.Luke was behind Just Want You To Know and Climbing The Walls...he's the reason the album version of Climbing The Walls was destroyed compared to the demo

Quote from: *Sabine* on August 28, 2008, 09:30:52 AM
Dr Luke is not necessarily rock. His work with Pink and Katy Perry is pop/rock, even only pop if we consider the paris Hilton's or Sugababes' songs, but it's not the sweet bubblegum of Cheiron of course. Even Max by himself often does a rockier sound now: Carolina Liar (true rock for me). The BSB's Never Gone album was also pop/rock and yet, there was no Dr Luke. I think Luke is a very very good songwriter and does brilliant catchy songs. Maybe it's what BSB need to come back. The rockier collaboration between Max and the BSB on Never Gone was not successful and I think that if they don't change the "recipe", they're doomed...

NEVER GONE sold allover the world 10 million album. I think this is a succes sabine.

Quote from: Alex Martin on August 28, 2008, 09:20:44 PM

Quote from: *Sabine* on August 28, 2008, 09:30:52 AM
Dr Luke is not necessarily rock. His work with Pink and Katy Perry is pop/rock, even only pop if we consider the paris Hilton's or Sugababes' songs, but it's not the sweet bubblegum of Cheiron of course. Even Max by himself often does a rockier sound now: Carolina Liar (true rock for me). The BSB's Never Gone album was also pop/rock and yet, there was no Dr Luke. I think Luke is a very very good songwriter and does brilliant catchy songs. Maybe it's what BSB need to come back. The rockier collaboration between Max and the BSB on Never Gone was not successful and I think that if they don't change the "recipe", they're doomed...

NEVER GONE sold allover the world 10 million album. I think this is a succes sabine.

where did you get that from wikipedia? it probably sold 6 the most

Quote from: Alex Martin on August 28, 2008, 09:20:44 PM

Quote from: *Sabine* on August 28, 2008, 09:30:52 AM
Dr Luke is not necessarily rock. His work with Pink and Katy Perry is pop/rock, even only pop if we consider the paris Hilton's or Sugababes' songs, but it's not the sweet bubblegum of Cheiron of course. Even Max by himself often does a rockier sound now: Carolina Liar (true rock for me). The BSB's Never Gone album was also pop/rock and yet, there was no Dr Luke. I think Luke is a very very good songwriter and does brilliant catchy songs. Maybe it's what BSB need to come back. The rockier collaboration between Max and the BSB on Never Gone was not successful and I think that if they don't change the "recipe", they're doomed...

NEVER GONE sold allover the world 10 million album. I think this is a succes sabine.

I consider Incomplete the only real success. Max's songs were not welcome well I think. (for once)
Khan, I agree with you on climbing the walls, the demo was better...As far as accusing Luke, it may be a bit too extreme..

Quote from: clabbelito on August 28, 2008, 07:12:32 PM

Quote from: Rebecca on August 28, 2008, 01:56:12 PMBo Bice

Sorry, but this artist's name is so funny in Swedish. (Bice meanse poo/poop.)  ;D

oh dear, that is unfortunate for Bo!
but now I've learnt a Swedish word, not that I wanted to learn that!

I love the final "Climbing The Walls" it's perfection to me!

Yeah, I agree Sabine, Incomplete was the only success from Never Gone. I don't reckon Never Gone sold 10 million though

This is Offtopice, but I just found Cheiron MySpace page (http://www.myspace.com/cheiron_music) so if you would like to add it to your friends list, I guess it's brand new.

Quote from: Feelgoodlies on September 03, 2008, 11:52:16 PM
This is Offtopice, but I just found Cheiron MySpace page (http://www.myspace.com/cheiron_music) so if you would like to add it to your friends list, I guess it's brand new.

RAMADAN KAREEM  :)

I think it has existed for a while... Makes me think it's high time I did a myspace! hmm... now or never!

oh yes, that is Julian's myspace for Cheiron music website, (Rainbow Child)

there's quite a lot of info there though haven't had a chance to look right through it.

for some reason I can't put a link to his website, not sure why, but the link is on the page of his myspace site anyway.

Quote from: ahmed on September 04, 2008, 12:03:15 AM

Quote from: Feelgoodlies on September 03, 2008, 11:52:16 PM
This is Offtopice, but I just found Cheiron MySpace page (http://www.myspace.com/cheiron_music) so if you would like to add it to your friends list, I guess it's brand new.

RAMADAN KAREEM  :)

Hello Ahmed.... Ramadan Kareem and Mu'barak to you as well!, oh I like Reham Abd Elgafoor lol....[in your avatar]

@Rebecca: I told myself that his info is pretty much like the info in your website, with some addings.... I liked his page, but nothing better than our forum :D

To come back to the topic, seems like Cheiron songs win by far... Hey people, nostalgia? ;)