Hi, I have the next big thing in music but noone believes me, and when I've politely tried to get people to help me on forums, I've even gotten banned because the admins didn't think I was real. But I have to explain my ambition clearly enough so that I can work with the right people. I've heard a lot of good music somehow. I think that I know some things about music and the brain that science hasn't formally proven yet or has only recent understanding of. I'm a fluke of a person who can not only somehow judge melody very well in accordance with the patterns of hit music, but also come up with many kinds of extremely good music. I can revolutionize or evolve good music and I pretty much already have the music to do this.
Max Martin was onto something when he came up with a rock tinge in some of his later songs. That is kind of what I can take further. I might know that obscure, amazing band out there that you may be thinking of and I think that I can match the best of rock somehow and make it accessible to the current generation because I'm in tune with a lot of Max Martin's music. I can make the "next Britney" or the next name-your-rockstar. When I judge music I put melody and musicality first rather than things like lyrics and that's what will give this music a massive edge and guarantee that this music works globally. This music will be unpretentious and there won't be any weak tracks and maybe not even weak parts of songs for some people. I've thought of and analyzed a lot.
It just takes a lot of understanding and trying to make things work on my terms because I'm such a different person and maybe not like anyone else in music. It might take a very different person to show others the next discoveries. I almost have to introduce myself really slowly or you won't believe me. And once you believe this, then I'll have more things that will be hard to believe. Contact me if you are seriously interested in trying to make this happen. If there was ever a music opportunity that couldn't fail, then maybe this is it.
MW
Quote from: MW on July 03, 2015, 11:41:07 PM
If there was ever a music opportunity that couldn't fail, then maybe this is it.
...or maybe it's not.
::)
Quote from: MW on July 03, 2015, 11:41:07 PMAnd once you believe this, then I'll have more things that will be hard to believe.
I gotta say... I'm intrigued! But why don't you just be blunt, because the above statements are like a riddle and more akin to a snake oil salesman.
If you want people to believe you, start speaking English (figuratively, not literally).
So....
What are you offering?
What do you do?
What are you looking for?
Do you write?
Do you top-line?
I can't wait for your reply to this post, Benny. :-X ;D
Quote from: Voodoo on July 04, 2015, 02:09:39 AM
So....
- What are you offering?
- What do you do?
- What are you looking for?
- Do you write?
- Do you top-line?
Or maybe start with...
- Hi, may name is...
- I'm from...
Wow. I almost feel compelled to reply here since the thread starter happen to share both my initials and certain ideas that could be applied to me as well. To anyone that happen to know me and read this thread the thread starter is NOT me :)
To the thread starter all I can say is that there are so many castles in the sky in this business that you really really really need to create some real ones before anyone with real opportunities will believe you. What you say is unimportant, when you can show for it with some kick-a** tunes, not just once but again and again - then you can start talking. If you need to, that is. Cause a lot of the time, if your music is good enough it will speak for itself.
Quote from: Jules on July 04, 2015, 08:58:46 AM
I can't wait for your reply to this post, Benny. :-X ;D
well then here it is. I hope you're happy with it.
Quote from: B Steady on July 04, 2015, 12:10:15 PM
well then here it is. I hope you're happy with it.
Nah, rather disappointing. I was looking for something more comedic. :P
Quote from: wiik on July 04, 2015, 12:06:22 PM
Wow. I almost feel compelled to reply here since the thread starter happen to share both my initials and certain ideas that could be applied to me as well. To anyone that happen to know me and read this thread the thread starter is NOT me :)
To the thread starter all I can say is that there are so many castles in the sky in this business that you really really really need to create some real ones before anyone with real opportunities will believe you. What you say is unimportant, when you can show for it with some kick-a** tunes, not just once but again and again - then you can start talking. If you need to, that is. Cause a lot of the time, if your music is good enough it will speak for itself.
Yes. If what he said was true, then he'd share some music. He didn't, which is why I'd say it's a 99% chance that it's just bull. And if you possess that kind Of skill you don't have to write in forums.
Quote from: MW on July 03, 2015, 11:41:07 PM
I'm such a different person and maybe not like anyone else in music. It might take a very different person to show others the next discoveries.
You're special man we know it, so proud of you. Please enlighten us with your greatness and let us be the lucky ones to discover the truth. Amen!
Quote from: Rex on July 04, 2015, 07:14:59 PM
You're special man we know it, so proud of you. Please enlighten us with your greatness and let us be the lucky ones to discover the truth. Amen!
When I say different, that doesn't necessarily imply good or bad. Sometimes you have to be really bad at one thing to be unbelievably good at something else. I don't want to sound cuckoo but some people out there already know or suspect that a disadvantage/deficit can actually be turned into something extremely useful.
Quote from: AlexanderLaBrea on July 04, 2015, 03:40:28 PM
Yes. If what he said was true, then he'd share some music. He didn't, which is why I'd say it's a 99% chance that it's just bull. And if you possess that kind Of skill you don't have to write in forums.
If I wasn't myself I would've thought the same as you. But one of the things that I'm bad or inefficient at is getting the music from my head to a medium for someone else to assess. I have to work with someone with enough sensitivity to melody and maybe even just above average ability at the things that complement me before I can demonstrate the music in a timely manner.
Quote from: wiik on July 04, 2015, 12:06:22 PM
What you say is unimportant, when you can show for it with some kick-a** tunes, not just once but again and again - then you can start talking. If you need to, that is. Cause a lot of the time, if your music is good enough it will speak for itself.
Once I can demo the music then I can show what "again and again" means and what "music speaking for itself" means. But I don't want the debut material to go to waste simply because I don't have any momentum at the start. Most good and big artists take a few albums to get going but if they pack all their really good songs together at the start then they might only have enough for one or two albums. Most wouldn't be able to prove themselves again and again over time if they went for the "no filler" philosophy that I'm trying to stick to. Good music from an unknown artist can easily go by unnoticed so I'm talking things up in case someone who can make the debut material reach its potential actually wants to claim this opportunity and surprise the world. I would like to one day be with some people who believed me from the very start rather than only people who waited for me to prove myself. I find this whole "belief and science" thing that I'm experiencing interesting anyway.
Yo guys. I have an incredible business idea in my head.
Can someone borrow me $10.000.000 so I can get my company started?
Oh btw I won't say what the business idea is but I swear it'll be worth your ten million. LOL
Maybe just one little snatch -- even say two measures of actual music on Soundcloud or something?
👂👂📡⁉️
@MW - You do realise that you sound like a drunk soccer fan who thinks he could be the coach for Real Madrid right? Yeah, no, you can't actually. If you think that you have "Max Martin potential" but can't write, sing, produce or anything, I'm sorry to say that you're a beginner like everyone else. Just way more naive... You have to learn music first, then come back and show what you got.
If you were aiming for some sort of A&R position and thought you had a certain "nack" for knowing what'll work or not, that's a different thing. But it has nothing to do with creating the music.
Quote from: AlexanderLaBrea on July 05, 2015, 01:57:05 AM
@MW - You do realise that you sound like a drunk soccer fan who thinks he could be the coach for Real Madrid right? Yeah, no, you can't actually. If you think that you have "Max Martin potential" but can't write, sing, produce or anything, I'm sorry to say that you're a beginner like everyone else. Just way more naive... You have to learn music first, then come back and show what you got.
If you were aiming for some sort of A&R position and thought you had a certain "nack" for knowing what'll work or not, that's a different thing. But it has nothing to do with creating the music.
Well said.
I ve been workng in the music industry for 15 years as a producer/ engineer and studio owner and I've heard si ilar claims numerous times. So far its always been from tone deaf naive wannabes who don't have a clue. Would love to be proven wrong...
Quote from: sonnyblack2000 on July 05, 2015, 06:11:33 PM
Would love to be proven wrong...
Same boat. I'd love to be blown away.
But... @MW: Still, I feel like you are talking in riddles. Does anyone else think this or is it just me?
WHAT DO YOU WANT, WHAT DO YOU DO, WHAT CAN YOU OFFER, WHAT DO YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW?
I've taken enough meetings with A&R's and publishers and record labels and played my music to them. It always comes down to what music you play them in the room NOW and whether or not you have something AMAZING enough to do business with. So... what do you HAVE RIGHT NOW? Theories and opinions are'nt gonna get you anywhere.
I think MW is a spammer.
Quote from: sonnyblack2000 on July 05, 2015, 06:11:33 PM
I ve been workng in the music industry for 15 years as a producer/ engineer and studio owner and I've heard si ilar claims numerous times. So far its always been from tone deaf naive wannabes who don't have a clue. Would love to be proven wrong...
Very interesting quote. Since nobody believes me, then it could well be you or some random person that I end up showing stuff to first. Preferably someone who isn't going in with a mindset to prove me wrong and will persist with me in trying to complete the music because I'm not sure how good people are at judging the melodic patterns of hit or good music in completed form, much less in an incomplete state.
Quote from: Voodoo on July 05, 2015, 09:36:03 PM
Same boat. I'd love to be blown away.
But... @MW: Still, I feel like you are talking in riddles. Does anyone else think this or is it just me?
WHAT DO YOU WANT, WHAT DO YOU DO, WHAT CAN YOU OFFER, WHAT DO YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW?
I've taken enough meetings with A&R's and publishers and record labels and played my music to them. It always comes down to what music you play them in the room NOW and whether or not you have something AMAZING enough to do business with. So... what do you HAVE RIGHT NOW? Theories and opinions are'nt gonna get you anywhere.
I don't have something to do business with straight away as you put it otherwise it would be easy for me. I have a whole bunch of attempts to transcribe the lead (important) parts of numerous songs. Someone who is skilled enough at envisioning the melody of it might find that I'm for real though and could maybe make something to do business with in the near future. Telling someone my theories might not get me anywhere, but the theories are important for laying the foundation and explaining what sounds nearly impossible and some people might actually find them very detailed and convincing. And yes I'm kind of talking in riddles because this is meant to be a secret project but I can't find someone who doesn't think I'm talking rubbish. That "love to be proven wrong" attitude is what I'm probably looking for in someone to help me out because someone with too much prejudice might not be able to realize the melody anyway.
Quote from: Rebecca on July 05, 2015, 11:17:50 PM
I think MW is a spammer.
Thanks for giving me a chance then. I'll try not to reply to this post too much. Everyone has to start somewhere. Might as well be a place where people are more likely to understand all this melody stuff I'm talking about.
If MW was a spammer he wouldn't spend so much time on replying to all your comments.
Quote from: MW on July 06, 2015, 09:07:47 AM
And yes I'm kind of talking in riddles because this is meant to be a secret project but I can't find someone who doesn't think I'm talking rubbish. That "love to be proven wrong" attitude is what I'm probably looking for in someone to help me out because someone with too much prejudice might not be able to realize the melody anyway.
Why is it so hard to understand that you're just sounding naive and arrogant, which are two things that'll get you absolutely nowhere in this business. There is a big difference between believing in yourself and just being plain out stupid.
It's like, what if I came in here (or some more appropriate forum perhaps) and said "Hi, I have no education or experience in either science or politics or any of that stuff, and I have never spoken in front of people, but I have the definite solution for global warming and world hunger and I have "Obama-like qualities". I won't tell you what it is because I can't formulate my ideas into words yet, but maybe you guys will be interested in taking part?"
Even you would laugh at me. And rightly so. Because it is 100% impossible to be a complete beginner at something and from the start outshine professionals who have been in their field for decades perfecting their work. Never in the history of the world has this happened, so why would you be the exception? It even took Max Martin until his late 20's before he'd learned how to write world class pop songs repeatedly. And that is a guy who started at an early age, is schooled as a musician and has dedicated his life to the craft of making music, whether it be rock or pop. He didn't just "come up with a formula", he is also extremely musical, talented, hard working and all that. You're kinda giving a big middle finger to all the greatest song writers in the world. Pretty much the wrong way to go.
Quote from: AlexanderLaBrea on July 06, 2015, 10:50:57 AM
It even took Max Martin until his late 20's before he'd learned how to write world class pop songs repeatedly..
Great point... and even in that latest transcribed interview, Max says they are STILL trying to write the perfect pop song. That's a humble man right there that knows you need to write your friend off, work like no other, and chase the goosebumps... even after 20+ years in the business.
@MW: Honestly I still have no idea what you're talking about.
Im a little shocked that all of the "professionals" in this thread didnt tell him the best thing he could be doing regardless of if we hear it or not, or if we even care. Its called copyright that shit, and upload it to youtube. If you have something that is truly the next big thing in music, the people of youtube will gladly let you know.
But if you want to sell it to someone and hope a major label releases it with a famous artist, it doesnt matter how good it is. Thats not how the biz works. Its all an illusion about how much the people in your network want to see you succeed. Ive never been hired by anyone just because they think i make the right music for them, i get hired because people like my attitude, they like my mindset, they generally want to be around me, I make the people i work with feel very comfortable and tell them jokes so they feel good.
If you came to any pro in person talking how your posts are they're not gonna listen to what you made. Its extremely unhumble and arrogant to claim you have the next big thing while having "im not crazy" in the same sentence. If you have to convince people you arent crazy, you a probably bat shit crazy.
This just brings back memories of every time an independent rapper would ask me to ENGINEER for them followed by "bruh jus do it fo free, im gon be famous and bring you wit me!!!!!" For the love of god dont ever contact an engineer if you do not have the money. They do not get royalties 99.99999999% of the time (unless your name is serban ghenea and have 130 #1 hits mixed).
Quote from: popmuzik on July 14, 2015, 04:31:04 AM
For the love of god dont ever contact an engineer if you do not have the money. They do not get royalties 99.99999999% of the time (unless your name is serban ghenea and have 130 #1 hits mixed).
how many #1s has he mixed yet?
edit: oh, wiki says indeed more than 131 singles and albums
Related rights.
It's not that much money, but engineers get advance paid for their services plus the royalties...
Quote from: j.fco.morales on July 14, 2015, 04:55:55 PM
Related rights.
It's not that much money, but engineers get advance paid for their services plus the royalties...
to put things into perspective if you producer/write the single on average you might get $700k usd per million units sold (this is different for everyone, just based on people ive worked with) but the mix engineer might only get $900-$3500 on average depending on your relationship with them, if you're paying them cash or if the label is paying them. The people who produced/wrote the song put in 70-100 hours on it, the mixer gets 6-12hours.
Quote from: j.fco.morales on July 14, 2015, 04:55:55 PM
Related rights.
It's not that much money, but engineers get advance paid for their services plus the royalties...
you only get royalties if the option is given to you, dont ask for them if you're an engineer.
Quote from: popmuzik on July 14, 2015, 11:21:54 PM
... you might get $700k usd per million units sold (this is different for everyone, just based on people ive worked with)
Interesting... is that based on Digital/Physical sales, radio play, syncs, etc?
Haha! It's called Investment..nothing moves without it.
1. http://www.ifpi.org/content/library/Investing_In_Music.pdf
2. http://www.negativland.com/news/?page_id=17
But it's an interesting question - what happens to the quality (thru the whole production chain)
of music when it is measured by the value of music..
Quote from: Voodoo on July 15, 2015, 12:30:47 AM
Interesting... is that based on Digital/Physical sales, radio play, syncs, etc?
Ya but if the song gets used in a movie or tv theres no saying really how much more theyll get. You could produce a song that sells 15m copies and you make 20m from it. Every situation is different.
Facts (from IFPI-report):
"Recording costs for an emerging pop act in a major market are estimated to be between US$150,000 and US$500,000.
The average cost of video production for an emerging pop act in a major market is estimated to be around US$50–300,000 for three videos.
A record company can spend between US$200,000 and US$700,000 trying to break an emerging artist in a major market.
A typical advance from a major record company to a new pop act in a significant market is estimated to be between US$50,000 and US$350,000 and this rate can be much higher in competitive situations."
Advance US$50,000–350,000
Recording US$150,000–500,000
Video production US$50,000–300,000
Tour support US$50,000–150,000
Marketing and promotion US$200,000–700,000
TOTAL US$500,000–2,000,000S ource: IFPI member record
+ Educated opinion: (the Writing 'problem with music' by Steve Albini):
Record wholesale price: $6.50 x 250,000 = $1,625,000 gross income
Artist Royalties: $ 351,000
Deficit from royalties: $ 14,000
Manufacturing, packaging and distribution: @ $2.20 per record: $ 550,000
Gross profit: $ 710,000
The Balance Sheet: This is how much each player got paid at the end of the game.
Record company: $ 710,000
Producer: $ 90,000
Manager: $ 51,000
Studio: $ 52,500
Previous label: $ 50,000
Agent: $ 7,500
Lawyer: $ 12,000
Band member net income each:
$ 4,031.25
"The band is now 1/4 of the way through its contract, has made the music industry more than 3 million dollars richer, but is in the hole $14,000 on royalties. The band members have each earned about 1/3 as much as they would working at a 7-11, but they got to ride in a tour bus for a month. The next album will be about the same, except that the record company will insist they spend more time and money on it. Since the previous one never "recouped," the band will have no leverage, and will oblige. The next tour will be about the same, except the merchandising advance will have already been paid, and the band, strangely enough, won't have earned any royalties from their T-shirts yet. Maybe the T-shirt guys have figured out how to count money like record company guys. Some of your friends are probably already this fucked."
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Notice that Mr.Albinis writing "the problem with music" was done on the early 90's..
this is pretty good explaining the different types of royalties too
http://www.quora.com/How-much-do-top-pop-songwriters-generally-get-paid-for-a-song
Quote from: MW on July 03, 2015, 11:41:07 PM
Hi, I have the next big thing in music..
Or you could just post your demos somewhere.. the most normal way to do things.
Think how easy it is , you get the introduction , ambition focus etc - presentation and all the stuff required (+ the remarks pointed out by others members of this forum) at one shot - an ear will tell.
none of the possible misInterpretation is required - let's hope you don't automatically see other peoples stuff as you describe yours, - because it might get tricky to collaborate.
to bend the spoon (for lesser observation) , an example would be that: instead of by not posting your music you would end up to start a topic such as this..
By that you can avoid missing all of those attributes you mentioned - as to be missing ingredient X or Z.
Btw: Shouldn't speak to an idiot or stupid - as trolls are, let's hope the moderator wasn't right ;)
Still the question remains the same : what happens to the quality of music when it's being measured by the value of music?
Example how it works: apparently Martin Sandberg "posted" this demo back in the golden days of
Cheiron Demo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03gNY1IvVmk
End product:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmfO6DOQiPkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZeYw1bm53Y
Somewhere between those (and before) two clips 'even the next big thing in music' faces that question..so some abbreviation logic might cause a headache if the symptoms of the thesis
would have to be done on a right order for the original proposal. that there is no such construction as a recorded hit outside electricity or bits and zeros. So try a demo first.
It's some amount of under 1% of worlds population - where the core people of the music business are. but are we sharing a free lunch here..
Quote from: NeutronSynergy on July 15, 2015, 07:00:54 PM
Or you could just post your demos somewhere..
Y'all don't seem to get that he
does not [even] have any demos to post, as he's already said himself.
Anyway: so funny how much attention this guy gets from you guys! ;D
Quote from: Jules on July 15, 2015, 07:47:08 PM
Y'all don't seem to get that he does not [even] have any demos to post, as he's already said himself.
That's the reason why.
Quote from: Jules on July 15, 2015, 07:47:08 PMAnyway: so funny how much attention this guy gets from you guys! ;D
Exactly. But I won't tell you why :P