I wanted to put the whole list with toggle but...not all BBCodes are available.
Anyway...someone could find this useful.
Here is Cheiron full equipment:
STUDIO 1 | STUDIO 2 | STUDIO 3 |
Euphonix CS3000D - 3 - 64 Yamaha 03D Macintosh G3, Logic Audio Platinum+ Pro Tools Emagic Unitor 8 Apogee AD-8000 Digidesign Audiointerface 888 Digidesign SSD Akai S6000, S3200 Roland JV2080, Juno 106 EMU Orbit, Planet Phatt, Proteus 1+ Orcestral, Vintage Keys, Procussion Studio Electronics SE-1 Korg Trinity Lexicon PCM 91 Roland SDX 330, SRV 330, SDE 330, RSP 550 Calrec RQP 3200 dbx 902, 903 Aphex Expressor Furman HA 6 Tascam DA 30 mkII Marantz PMD321 Technics SL - 1210 Sony APR - 24 Dolby SR Monitor Elite SCD 8022 Monitor Elite Reference 1 Chevin Research A3000, A500 Ashly PQX 572 Hit lamp | Soundtracs Jade 32 Macintosh G3, Logic Audio Platinum + Pro Tools Emagic Unitor 8 Apogee AD-8000 Digidesign Audiointerface 888 Akai S6000 Roland JV2080, A - 90, JD 990 Yamaha DX 7, TX 802 EMU Vintage Keys, Procussion, Proteus 2000 Studio Electronics SE-1 Korg TR - Rack, M 1 Roland SDX 330, SRV 330, SDE 330, RSP 550 Eventide DSP - 4000 TC Electronics G - Force Calrec RQP 3200 SSL Compressor Nightpro EQ 3 - D dbx 902, 903 Aphex Expressor Joemeek Compressor Focusrite Red serie 2 Berhinger HA 903 Tascam DA 40 mkII Marantz PMD321 Teac R - 545 Technics SL - 1210 Otari MX 80 Yamaha NS - 10M Monitor Elite SCD 8022 Monitor Elite Reference 1 Dynamic Precision Chevin Research, A500 C Audio EQ 312 Hit lamp | Yamaha 02R Macintosh G3, Logic Audio Platinum + Pro Tools Emagic Unitor 8 Digidesign ADAT Bridge Akai S5000, S3000 Roland JV2080 Korg TR - Rack, M 1 Mindprint En - Voice Tascam DA 30 mkII Marantz CD - 72 Yamaha NS - 10M Monitor Elite SCD 8022 Amcron Micro Tech 1201 Hit lamp |
Here you have Maratone instrument list
STUDIO 1 | STUDIO 2 | STUDIO 3 |
Access Virusrack Akai S6000 with LaCie mo-drive EMU Orbit EMU Orbit3 EMU Planet Phatt EMU Mo Phatt EMU Procussion EMU Proteus/1 plus Orcestral EMU Proteus 2000 EMU Proteus 2500 EMU Vintage Keys EMU Xtreme Lead-1 Fender Telecaster Thinliner Fender Telecaster Korg MS2000R Korg Trinity Korg Triton Korg TR-Rack Korg Triton-Rack Oberheim Matrix 1000 Rhodes SeventyThree Roland Juno 106 Roland TR 909 Roland V-Drums Roland XV-5080 Roland JV-2080 SE-1 Taylor RSSM Taylor 310 Yamaha DX-100 Yamaha P-200 Yamaha TG-77 | Akai S5000 with Marantz CD - 57 and LaCie mo-drive EMU Vintage Keys EMU Extreme Lead-1 Korg MS2000R Korg SP-100 Korg Triton-Rack Roland JV-2080 Roland PC-180A Roland XV-5080 SE-1 | Akai S6000 with LaCie mo-drive EMU Proteus 2000 EMU Vintage Keys Korg TR-Rack Roland PC-180A Roland XV-5080 SE-1 |
Holy sh*t! Where did you find these?
This is from their old cheiron/maratone website from archive.org
I thought to post them like this so you guys could compare them better according to the hear of a song.
In this way if I need some sounds from Overprotected or "I'm not a girl not yet a woman", I'll search through Maratone instrument list and go to listen between the stuff I have. But I still don't get where to find some sounds because they're probably layered.
I would love to know where they got these drum samples: as far as I know, back in the day you bought CD samplers or romplers and they tweaked those to get their own sounds, all through analog gear.
For example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9y4OZyQn6YY
Actually Magnusson told me that the whole drums/percussion were from AKAI but I think we should look on E-MU procession too. I'm basically working with digital but it is very limited since most of the original digital sound available stuff is not the full deal.
For example the orchestra hit from Baby One More Time is not on JV2080/JV1080. Only the reverse stab is there.
Piano attack are layered pianos but which one is like impossible to find out.
In Oops I Did It Again different stabs were used and they were heavily layered with other sounds that are impossible to detect.
People here said that StringWheel was from Vintage Keys Plus but the Plus version is not in the instrument list from the studios and in the" 3" multitracks that track with StringWheel is called Vintage Keys without plus or anything like that.
So...what's the truth?
Actually the video sais that he bought most part of the cds from that website called MidiWare.
Quote from: j.fco.morales on August 26, 2020, 08:57:40 PM
I would love to know where they got these drum samples: as far as I know, back in the day you bought CD samplers or romplers and they tweaked those to get their own sounds, all through analog gear.
For example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9y4OZyQn6YY
Those sounds were layered from several sources that were popular then. Akai, Korg TR, Roland XV Dance Expansion and East West & Zero G sample lib (both co's are nonexisting today). The last two were the only really famous ones on the market then and everyone used their sounds.
You can find all snare hits there and with a bit of research and listening recreate the famous Cheiron drum sounds. Mostly you will have to combine base fat snare and 'clappy' addon sound and mix them, usually combined of 2-3 different snare hits like in BSB - We've got in goin' on. Too bad they are not popular anymore, I like them more than today's dull and somehow boring drums sound.
How do I know? If you compare snares from different songs instrumentals to those samples mentioned it is easy to hear the same fattiness, same pitch and other sound parts. You cannot miss if you find right sample to compare.
Quote from: Dagge on December 13, 2020, 08:42:26 PM
Those sounds were layered from several sources that were popular then. Akai, Korg TR, Roland XV Dance Expansion and East West & Zero G sample lib (both co's are nonexisting today). The last two were the only really famous ones on the market then and everyone used their sounds.
You can find all snare hits there and with a bit of research and listening recreate the famous Cheiron drum sounds. Mostly you will have to combine base fat snare and 'clappy' addon sound and mix them, usually combined of 2-3 different snare hits like in BSB - We've got in goin' on. Too bad they are not popular anymore, I like them more than today's dull and somehow boring drums sound.
How do I know? If you compare snares from different songs instrumentals to those samples mentioned it is easy to hear the same fattiness, same pitch and other sound parts. You cannot miss if you find right sample to compare.
Someone I managed to get some of these libraries and basically, it's all there. It's all layering and processing.
Also, I started using Reason 2 and I installed and checked those libraries from the early 2000s. It's all there!
Connected to using that equipment for arrangement and production I subjectively think that Rami Jacoub was without doubt the best overall arranger at the team. He has an excellent feel for rhythmic parts and especially for syncopation, as well as for combining small parts into rich-sounding arrangement. For example songs like Get another boyfriend by BSB.
The second one (and overall highly underrated) would be K Lundin. His arrangements are very clever and rich sounding, for example, Larger than life. Third place would be Max, a melody king but let's say it without disrespect 'less talented' for rich arrangements than mentioned two.
So Max is best at melodies, Rami and Kristian for arrangements. For chord structure I am not sure, Max is obviously very good, while the other two aren't less talented in that domain. All others are quite less skilled in those fields, including Dr Luke, Shellback, Ilya etc (no pun intended for their fans here).
So at its core, Cheiron was Denniz as its soul, Max for melodies, and Rami and Kristian for arrangements. I think potential new songs made by Max Rami and Lundin jointly would beat anything on the chart today. They are clever enough to adapt to the 'modern' style while using the full potential they have. I wonder why they don't collaborate more.
I think the key was to work with collaborators whom are great in different aspects of songwriting.