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New Songs / Re: The Weeknd - Dawn FM (Max Martin, Oscar Holter)
« Last post by McCartneyMartin on January 16, 2022, 06:25:49 PM »
You actually do. All mentioned producers were artists, adding their own artistic taste. That's why they lasted for a limited time period. When style changed they went out of fashion.

Max is different school. They analyse what is commercially appealable, try to mimic that while adding their own talent. This obviously works well for over two decades it maybe doesn't seem very artistic but they obviously love that approach, like so many other Swedish businesses. I think both approaches are valid.
I don't think it was because they are flavor of production went out of style it's because around 1991 is where they introduced soundscan which was a big catalyst for how we listen to music nowadays cuz before you used to be that billboard would call up the record shops and radio stations and tell them what was hot but now it's all about accurate sales and trying to cash in on what is the hottest trend. That resulted in shorter songs louder mixing less focus on instrumentation more focus on vocals and becoming more of a single market rather than an album market.

I think Max Martin would be nowhere it sounds scared never got implemented but would have probably gotten attention to his rock band and probably never becoming the producer he is now.
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Interesting thoughts. PoP seem to be the most artistic guy among them, while others were more of a craftsman type. I wonder how would he cope with the even more advanced production requirements later on, taking into account his somehow limited playing and music theory skills (no pun intended).

He loved simplicity as shown on Ace of Base. But later BSB, N'Sync and Britney  were quite sophisticated in production, chords and melody, I wonder whether his simple approach would pass the public taste without the help of craftsmen around him. I think that's why he took them as collaborators, to fulfill his weaker points. I also admire him, this is a honest attempt to discover the whole picture more accurately.
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Denniz PoP was the best. He was literally incredible. Look at the work he did and how he evolved. I believe that if Denniz was around in 2000, the Cheiron legacy would have continued with a new sound that would compete with Neptunes and all those who were dominating the charts back then. He was never afraid to change the style and always had this intuition for what was hot. He was simply one of those guys who built himself to last in pop music, just like Max learned to do at a later phase. Denniz Pop was a chameleon, adjusting his colours to his surroundings.

At the same time Denniz understood the power of teamwork, using Lundin's great ear for production and Max's ear for melody and harmony. Those members were really good at what they did, but Denniz was the master who knew it all, similar to what Max is now for MXM music.

Why was Rami brought in and was it Denniz that adviced Max to go for an 'urban' guy?
What was special about Andreas Carlsson back then, what was he specifically used for in the studio, what was his expertise?
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New Songs / Re: Adele - new album with single by Max Martin
« Last post by McCartneyMartin on January 15, 2022, 04:47:11 PM »
Interesting melody, 100% following melodic math rules. If Adele composed it, she probably was learned rules from the Master himself. I think Max main role was to say no until Adele picked the strongest version of a composed melody. I must humbly add, using his help even I would probably compose strong chart-ready melody.
I think the problem with it all is in the mixing, you see most modern production focuses more on vocals and percussion and not enough on anything else is heard. You listen to how they did it back in the seventies and eighties it was done so everything would pop out all at once rather than just certain parts. If there are any melodies in sogs nowadays they are buried within the instrumentals.
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If we consider Max the best allround Cheiron composer, arranger, producer, what would look like the list of others based on their mucic capacity and shown talent. I would subjectively put Lundin and Rami Yacoub immediately below Max
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New Songs / Re: The Weeknd - Dawn FM (Max Martin, Oscar Holter)
« Last post by Dagge on January 15, 2022, 04:00:20 PM »
Savan does more of toplining and lyrics. Are you perhaps confusing him with Ilya?

Sorry I actually thought Andreas Carlsson and Ramy Yacoub. I am not especially fond on their newer team producers
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New Songs / Re: The Weeknd - Dawn FM (Max Martin, Oscar Holter)
« Last post by Dagge on January 15, 2022, 03:56:35 PM »
You got that right all I'm doing is speaking the truth.

You actually do. All mentioned producers were artists, adding their own artistic taste. That's why they lasted for a limited time period. When style changed they went out of fashion.

Max is different school. They analyse what is commercially appealable, try to mimic that while adding their own talent. This obviously works well for over two decades it maybe doesn't seem very artistic but they obviously love that approach, like so many other Swedish businesses. I think both approaches are valid.
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New Songs / Re: The Weeknd - Dawn FM (Max Martin, Oscar Holter)
« Last post by Snipes3000 on January 15, 2022, 03:49:41 PM »
Savan does more of toplining and lyrics. Are you perhaps confusing him with Ilya?
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New Songs / Re: The Weeknd - Dawn FM (Max Martin, Oscar Holter)
« Last post by Dagge on January 15, 2022, 03:04:50 PM »
So what's with Max lately producing whole albums instead of just a few individual one like on past releases? Is he trying to proof to the world that he's out for blood & trying to becoming the best producer of the 21st century. Just remember he's one away from tying John Lennon (26 #1s) and seven away from tying Paul McCartney (32 #1s)?

While Max is the melody king, I don't think he is a production king. He is obviously very good but I subjectively think Lundin and Savan Koetcha among other are better, with better feel for rhythm and the rich arrangement
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New Songs / Re: Adele - new album with single by Max Martin
« Last post by Dagge on January 15, 2022, 02:53:33 PM »
Very Shellback sounding.

Interesting melody, 100% following melodic math rules. If Adele composed it, she probably was learned rules from the Master himself. I think Max main role was to say no until Adele picked the strongest version of a composed melody. I must humbly add, using his help even I would probably compose strong chart-ready melody.
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