https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stupid_Love_(Lady_Gaga_song) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stupid_Love_(Lady_Gaga_song))
Stefani Germanotta
Michael Tucker
Martin Bresso
Max Martin
Out soon!
There's any other source besides Wikipedia that tells Max is involved? The article has been modified since then and Max is not there.
Looks exciting though.
Tchami? really?
He's a french house producer, he used to work with DJ Snake.
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He also worked with Gaga before with Applause and Do What U Want, I feel like we will be getting a mix from the Artpop and the Joanne eras.
Quote from: nanofives on February 26, 2020, 12:23:44 PM
There's any other source besides Wikipedia that tells Max is involved? The article has been modified since then and Max is not there.
Looks exciting though.
Genius has him too. But I don't believe it right now.
https://twitter.com/PopCrave/status/1232526532972773377?s=19
Still not a reliable source, but worth pointing out the hype the community is building.
I read it today but I prefer waiting till Friday cause sources have different information. Obviously, I'd dream of a collab between Max and Gaga, even more as I read they didn't work on just a song but several for the album.
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The rumors were right. It's co-written by Max, he also did the Vocal Production according to Tidal. I think it's the same version that leaked before, I couldn't find any difference whatsoever. I feel like Max involvement is not as much as it seems. But it's a nice comeback nonetheless.
I get the same feeling with the new Justin Timberlake song and the production he did on Coldplay's latest album. 2020 seems like the year Max reinvented himself again, just like 2014 with the cousins, 2008 with shellback or 2004 with luke.
This is basically a Born This Way Re-Make.
Quote from: B Steady on February 28, 2020, 06:38:56 AM
This is basically a Born This Way Re-Make.
+1
BORING AF.
lmfao, future nostalgia is coming to blow this outta the water and whatever else warner comes up with to try to bring gaga back from irrelevancy
Interesting article on Max's involvement on Stupid Love:
http://www.mtv.com/news/3158112/lady-gaga-stupid-love-zane-lowe-interview/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
I agree with you on the fact this song is not innovative enough, especially for a first single.
Seems like Gaga desisted on avoiding Max just like Christina Aguilera did in 2012.
Max Martin is now credited as a producer in Spotify and Tidal, also as a co-producer. I'm confused.
Last month Benjamin Rice tagged Rami on the photo of the announcement of the album that was supposed to come out on April but delayed due to the current global situation.
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New song co written by Rami. Produced by Bloodpop, Tchami and BURNS. I think this one is catchier.
Very meh at first, second and third listen.
Quote from: j.fco.morales on May 22, 2020, 07:50:21 PM
Very meh at first, second and third listen.
Are you crazy?
Quote from: melodicmoonlight on May 23, 2020, 05:32:23 AM
Are you crazy?
Congratulations Ms. Grande, you overexposed yourself. People are already getting tried of your shtick and get rid of that stupid ponytail already. Grow up!
Popstars don't have to grow up if they want to make #1 hits on billboard. These charts are traditionally led by the behaviour of teenagers. What we like is irrelevant, it's all about what the kids like. That's why that 69 rapper who looks funny is doing so well. He has star value, he appeals to these young teenagers. These teenagers probably love that line "you'r friend sucks a dick" or whatever he is saying in that new song. Kids find such arguably tasteless lines entertaining. And you know what? When you are hookking the kids with lines, you are doing well on that aspect of the pop. Pop star music has always been about how does it appeal to the target group.
Quote from: McCartneyMartin on May 23, 2020, 07:07:31 PM
Congratulations Ms. Grande, you overexposed yourself. People are already getting tried of your shtick and get rid of that stupid ponytail already. Grow up!
You're a joke. What the f are you doing on this forum, go home.
Quote from: melodicmoonlight on May 24, 2020, 06:41:09 AM
You're a joke. What the f are you doing on this forum, go home.
Well I might be a Boomer but I know when music was good. Anything before Soundscan (Pre-1991) is my lane. Before formulas, before producer run songwriting, before streaming & when everything sounded organic. Disagree with me all you want, you know I'm at least right about something. Ok?
What's the point? You came to the forum to brag about stuff you don't like. You should know that Cheiron was founded in 1992 so... that's after "your lane". Please do us a favor and leave, it's really not good for your health.
But McCartneyMartin, read back your own comment on Ariana Grande and ask yourself how objective and substantive it really is. I've read your posts on this forum before and you can do much better than is comment on Ariana. You've once introduced yourself as a Cheiron fan on the forum, I suppose that was not an impulsive statement.
Quote from: Snipes3000 on May 24, 2020, 11:26:48 PM
But McCartneyMartin, read back your own comment on Ariana Grande and ask yourself how objective and substantive it really is. I've read your posts on this forum before and you can do much better than is comment on Ariana. You've once introduced yourself as a Cheiron fan on the forum, I suppose that was not an impulsive statement.
I like the old school stuff that Cherion did back in the early 90s to when studio closed back in the early aughts, I've always I thought Max Martin was an okay producer and songwriter but I really felt he should have just stuck doing metal with Its Alive, rather than gone full on Pop with Denniz Pop. He had a voice that almost could of rivalled most singers of the era but instead of going solo and actually making some music and getting to be well-known. He rather just be hiding behind someone else and let him take over the artist and have himself sing through them, (Take Britney Spears when you hear her on non Cherion tracks, she sounds a lot more organic and not like she's trying to sing like someone else). Bottom line if you listen to music before Max got big (which was like 1994 or sooner) it's more catchy and less formulaic then what he would of made after that date. Compare Madonna song from 84 to an Ariana grande song from last year to see which one would you like more and held up.
Well, I think the song is reductive.
No pun intended haha
Jesus, literally nothing makes sense. First of all, you're joining a Cheiron and Max Martin fan forum on the basis that you like "pre-94-Cheiron" but don't like Max Martin. Basically you're saying that you're a huge Dr. Alban fan then? ´Cause Cheiron was founded in -92... Oh and two Ace of Base songs. All of which were extremely non-organic and "formulaic".
I have to respect your opinion if you like old music more than "new" music. But it's not Max Martin's fault (or sole doing) that pop music sounds like it does today. And you're pretty alone in thinking Britney sounds better on the non-Cheiron/Max songs seeing as he's made a majority of her biggest hits. Subjectively I much prefer "Into You" over "Vogue", but I like both old music and new music. You should try to broaden your horizons.
Still the question remains. Why are you here? It's a fan forum for Cheiron, of which you only enjoy like 5 songs out of hundreds and that you seem to think Max Martin destroyed pretty much.
I really can't let this slide either. It's NOT "could of" it's "could've". Please.
Quote from: AlexanderLaBrea on May 25, 2020, 10:32:44 AM
Jesus, literally nothing makes sense. First of all, you're joining a Cheiron and Max Martin fan forum on the basis that you like "pre-94-Cheiron" but don't like Max Martin. Basically you're saying that you're a huge Dr. Alban fan then? ´Cause Cheiron was founded in -92... Oh and two Ace of Base songs. All of which were extremely non-organic and "formulaic".
I have to respect your opinion if you like old music more than "new" music. But it's not Max Martin's fault (or sole doing) that pop music sounds like it does today. And you're pretty alone in thinking Britney sounds better on the non-Cheiron/Max songs seeing as he's made a majority of her biggest hits. Subjectively I much prefer "Into You" over "Vogue", but I like both old music and new music. You should try to broaden your horizons.
Still the question remains. Why are you here? It's a fan forum for Cheiron, of which you only enjoy like 5 songs out of hundreds and that you seem to think Max Martin destroyed pretty much.
I really can't let this slide either. It's NOT "could of" it's "could've". Please.
so why you think that Into You is better than the classic Vogue? Vogue is more danceable, has a thicker groove and a dance classic of the early 90s.
There is no right or wrong answer like you seem to imply. I like the production better. I love her voice and I think the melodies are pop magic! I like Vogue too. A classic! I like the Rolling Stones too, and spent half of my life listening to and playing metal. Still enjoy it at the same time as I enjoy Carly Rae Jepsen. That's the beauty of music. But I sure as hell wouldn't join a Beatles fan forum If I only liked the strings of Eleanor Rigby and pretty much hated the rest. Weird.
Quote from: AlexanderLaBrea on May 25, 2020, 04:34:59 PM
There is no right or wrong answer like you seem to imply. I like the production better. I love her voice and I think the melodies are pop magic! I like Vogue too. A classic! I like the Rolling Stones too, and spent half of my life listening to and playing metal. Still enjoy it at the same time as I enjoy Carly Rae Jepsen. That's the beauty of music. But I sure as hell wouldn't join a Beatles fan forum If I only liked the strings of Eleanor Rigby and pretty much hated the rest. Weird.
I agree with everything you said, but I'm trying to figure out why has music become so formulaic since the 90s. Everything feels like that its predictable opposed to something from oh say the early 80s. I also think this has to do with the rise of the loudness war, with music becoming almost brick wall by the beginning of the millennium ever since. I think into you could have been a better song if it were a tad bit longer, more instrumental breaks, and maybe a proper 3rd verse that isn't a bridge. Something around 4:40 in that field. Even Vogue was 5:10 on the album cut. I don't know you tell me.
Man, we're not here to put everything in boxes and be so damn concrete about everything that you don't like.
People that complains, usually do less than people that actually DO stuff.
If you think it's formulaic and sh*t, go and make your own music, promote it, make videos and be recognized for it.
I don't need someone talking sh*t in every post, so if you don't have anything good to say, shut the f*ck up.
The last person with that annoying attitude was banned from the forum.
Credits of the album.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromatica
So 6 RAMI songs.
Quote from: turnaround on May 27, 2020, 11:10:53 PM
Credits of the album.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromatica
So 6 RAMI songs.
Just the one Martin track? I thought there would be more. Oh well, at least we have 6 Rami cowrites on the album.
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Quote from: turnaround on May 28, 2020, 01:20:44 PM
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I love Blackpink but I dont like this bloodpop edm style, it sounds like swish swish
I listened to the album. I'm still bored.
It's like a collection of house inspired interludes.
God damn, this album is the freshest thing I've heard in awhile. So much fun, power and pop explosions. Absolutely in love with it! Some songs are just a little bit too short.
I literally can't - stop - listening. Even though I should be sleeping by now.
Haven't experienced that feeling in a very long time.
This is the album I've been waiting for her in more than 8 years. It's everything ARTPOP couldn't be, it's the change I was expecting after the Joanne/A star is born era.
It's clear that Gaga is not in charge of this album as it was with previous releases, but it doesn't mean it's bad, getting into writing camps with many different producers it's refreshing. It's also refreshing seeing BloodPop collaborating again with Skrillex, or getting into other Gaga's friends like Madeon. The writing touches of Justin Tranter, J Kash, Madison Love and Ryan Tedder it's also very on point. The absence of Gaga on the production of all tracks is very noticeable by the way.
And most important, it's Gaga knowing more of Swedish composers besides RedOne, it's been a while since we've seen Rami being part of so many songs in an album. And it's also interesting seeing Rami writing with many new people.
Quote from: B Steady on May 29, 2020, 02:28:02 AM
God damn, this album is the freshest thing I've heard in awhile. So much fun, power and pop explosions. Absolutely in love with it! Some songs are just a little bit too short.
I literally can't - stop - listening. Even though I should be sleeping by now.
Haven't experienced that feeling in a very long time.
I just lost my shit to Free Woman. This rush of dance pop euphoria - she really made a DANCE album. Pop explosions, indeed. I agree - wish the songs repeated the choruses at the end or had instrumentals to close them out... TOO SHORT!
And Axwell and Ingrosso have also contributed to the album. They are two of the three members of perhaps the biggest EDM titan of the last 10 years Swedish House Mafia.
Quote from: Snipes3000 on May 29, 2020, 12:23:09 PM
And Axwell and Ingrosso have also contributed to the album. They are two of the three members of perhaps the biggest EDM titan of the last 10 years Swedish House Mafia.
I'm pretty sure everyone in this forum is aware of that.
Does anyone know if Sine From Above has a sample? Or is it just a big big team of writers and producers?
Babylon gives me huge Madonna vibes.
Guys, really?
It's reductive. AF. It's a like playlist of short songs, generic, no concept, pointless lyrics. Cheesy.
Quote from: j.fco.morales on May 29, 2020, 07:31:15 PM
Guys, really?
It's reductive. AF. It's a like playlist of short songs, generic, no concept, pointless lyrics. Cheesy.
Well I think you're right but that seems to be the intention of the album in the first place. Gaga has always been a conceptual artist with a lot of talent to make a point in this industry. But she has been failing to deliver a proper danceable album since born this way.
All those things you mentioned might be despicable coming from a new artist, but for Gaga it's whole another story.
Quote from: j.fco.morales on May 29, 2020, 07:31:15 PM
Guys, really?
It's reductive. AF. It's a like playlist of short songs, generic, no concept, pointless lyrics. Cheesy.
Have you learned a new word? "Reductive" lol.
Generic? No.
No concept?! Are you deaf?
You just disqualified your self.
Quote from: B Steady on May 29, 2020, 10:53:36 PM
Have you learned a new word? "Reductive" lol.
Generic? No.
No concept?! Are you deaf?
You just disqualified your self.
Reductive. Look it up.
Quote from: nanofives on May 29, 2020, 07:36:50 PM
Well I think you're right but that seems to be the intention of the album in the first place. Gaga has always been a conceptual artist with a lot of talent to make a point in this industry. But she has been failing to deliver a proper danceable album since born this way.
All those things you mentioned might be despicable coming from a new artist, but for Gaga it's whole another story.
She needs to make a straight up rock/metal album before her voice can't hit the notes anymore.
Quote from: j.fco.morales on May 29, 2020, 07:31:15 PM
Guys, really?
It's reductive. AF. It's a like playlist of short songs, generic, no concept, pointless lyrics. Cheesy.
I agree w/the criticism of the short song lengths and cheesiness. Some of the tracks (Replay, Plastic Doll, Fun Tonight) have very generic and cheesy euro-house-dance production that lacks uniqueness. The sound starts to get repetitive on a lot of the tracks...
After a few listens, her voice is also very screechy on parts. I'm not a fan of the vocal production. Someone with her vocal heft and brass needs very specific fine-tuning and production. Benjamin Rice may be good on ASIB-type songs, but not big, thundering, over-the-top dance anthems.
If you say it's generic you just don't feel it (in this case).
The production is top notch and they wanted it this way. And not because they're lazy but because they've had a concept for this album.
I mean, I understand the influences and all that stuff -I grew up listening to house back in the 90's- and that's why I found this project reductive and not convincing and I'm fine but not very interested.
Sometimes I think you have to widen your musical listening.
It's been done better. Countless times. That's my point.
chromatica really exposed all the members among us who can't stand bloodpop .
i am one of them
i'm not even gonna comment anymore you can discern how i feel about these songs. The fuck did rami even do
gaga stays irrelevant, she got bodied on the charts by MOOD RING hahahahahahahaha. Stream Mood Ring
Quote from: backgammonfiend on May 31, 2020, 06:45:37 AM
chromatica really exposed all the members among us who can't stand bloodpop .
i am one of them
i'm not even gonna comment anymore you can discern how i feel about these songs. The fuck did rami even do
gaga stays irrelevant, she got bodied on the charts by MOOD RING hahahahahahahaha. Stream Mood Ring
https://www.billboard.com/articles/business/chart-beat/9394719/rain-on-me-debuts-atop-hot-100-lady-gaga-ariana-grande
Both Ariana and Lady Gaga are at number one!!! Remi gets his second number one since 2000! Cheers for all three of them.
Quote from: backgammonfiend on May 31, 2020, 06:45:37 AM
chromatica really exposed all the members among us who can't stand bloodpop .
i am one of them
i'm not even gonna comment anymore you can discern how i feel about these songs. The fuck did rami even do
gaga stays irrelevant, she got bodied on the charts by MOOD RING hahahahahahahaha. Stream Mood Ring
literally this. As far as I can tell, he probably contributed to strictly melodies like "Oooh" and "Aaahhh" type melodies.
I mixed Chromatica with Ben Rice... interesting to see everyone's reactions, I'm a bit disappointed you guys aren't into it (I've been coming here for almost 7-8 years now)!
since it's relevant to this forum, it was really fun working with Rami. he had a lot of cool stories about doing endless vocal comps and vocal mixes for BSB songs in the 90s, and working with max, etc. when we were finishing Rain On Me, the vocal and instrumental thoughts he had were great and helped i think add more clarity to Gaga/Ari's delivery. max also gave great notes on which melodies to highlight... I think they had to do with the chorus before the 2nd post, but I cant remember exactly.
i heard many of the songs pre-Rami and while the spirit was there, he certainly added parts that made them more exciting or added depth.
OMG, that's so amazing. Well, not everyone here are not into it. I still think that working with different producers that helped BloodPop made the difference. But after almost 2 weeks listening to it daily I've found out that the Chromatica interludes are the best parts of the album and how well they connect with each following song.
Thanks for sharing your experience, and any kind of story is relevant to this forum, being a mixer you know best how each writer and producer shaped each song. I'm mostly curious to know how was to mix Sine From Above, with so many names. I've heard in an interview that Axwell had that demo with Elton from the beginning and he sent it to Gaga.
Quote from: interspectacular on June 09, 2020, 07:30:25 AM
I mixed Chromatica with Ben Rice... interesting to see everyone's reactions, I'm a bit disappointed you guys aren't into it (I've been coming here for almost 7-8 years now)!
since it's relevant to this forum, it was really fun working with Rami. he had a lot of cool stories about doing endless vocal comps and vocal mixes for BSB songs in the 90s, and working with max, etc. when we were finishing Rain On Me, the vocal and instrumental thoughts he had were great and helped i think add more clarity to Gaga/Ari's delivery. max also gave great notes on which melodies to highlight... I think they had to do with the chorus before the 2nd post, but I cant remember exactly.
i heard many of the songs pre-Rami and while the spirit was there, he certainly added parts that made them more exciting or added depth.
Very cool backstory, thanks for sharing! Did you have a hand in vocal mixing or production?
The songs have grown on me exponentially in the last week since my first impressions. The melodies are strong, even if her vocal delivery is sometimes grating or if some of her inflection/pronunciation is questionable. I get nit-picky because I've been listening to pop for so long and expect certain standards. But I actually respect Gaga for pushing against the pop norms and daring to sound bold and unrestrained.
Songs like Fun Tonight, Enigma, and Replay, which previously felt lackluster to me, are actually quite catchy. They shine in their own way, even if they're not as explosive and euphoric as Rain on Me and Free Woman. I find myself singing along and enjoying them. The 1-2 punch of Sine into 1000 Doves (and then into the celebratory Babylon) is great and closes out the album with drama. It's so easy to listen to the album in full and then repeat cycle.
I still can't believe the Sophie songs were scrapped... it makes me mad.