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Title: Kim Petras - Slut Pop EP (Dr. Luke)
Post by: nanofives on February 11, 2022, 01:00:55 PM

The EP is out, it's produced solely by Luke, writers include Rocco Valdes, the Aarons, Ryan Ogren, Chloe Angelides and Alex Chapman

Seems experimental, like Charli XCX's Vroom Vroom, I found it kinda hard to listen at first glance, although the beats are catchy.
Title: Re: Kim Petras - Slut Pop EP (Dr. Luke)
Post by: j.fco.morales on February 11, 2022, 02:31:25 PM
Experimental? This is early 2000's influenced pop!
Title: Re: Kim Petras - Slut Pop EP (Dr. Luke)
Post by: melodicmoonlight on February 12, 2022, 03:21:29 AM
Yea this is pretty amazing. Def y2k vibes

The beats are crisp and punchy. Luke must've enjoyed working on a fun project like this, not designed for commercial marketability per se but it's already doing quite well.

Love how short the songs are. It has high replay value  ;D
Title: Re: Kim Petras - Slut Pop EP (Dr. Luke)
Post by: McCartneyMartin on February 12, 2022, 03:41:48 AM
Yea this is pretty amazing. Def y2k vibes

The beats are crisp and punchy. Luke must've enjoyed working on a fun project like this, not designed for commercial marketability per se but it's already doing quite well.

Love how short the songs are. It has high replay value  ;D

I love it just how short our attention spans have gotta over the last few decades. Some songs barely peaking over 2 mins. I bet in ten years songs with be only a minute or so long.  :(
Title: Re: Kim Petras - Slut Pop EP (Dr. Luke)
Post by: Snipes3000 on February 12, 2022, 12:24:43 PM
Dr Luke is amazing
Title: Re: Kim Petras - Slut Pop EP (Dr. Luke)
Post by: Dagge on February 19, 2022, 12:45:20 PM
Do not want to spoil Dr Luke fans but I subjectively feel Luke arr and songwriting skills are way behind Cheironers
Title: Re: Kim Petras - Slut Pop EP (Dr. Luke)
Post by: bugmenot on February 19, 2022, 02:49:51 PM
Dr Luke is amazing
Title: Re: Kim Petras - Slut Pop EP (Dr. Luke)
Post by: nanofives on February 19, 2022, 04:31:36 PM
I hated it at first listen, but I completely changed my mind about this EP, it's definitely a grower.
Title: Re: Kim Petras - Slut Pop EP (Dr. Luke)
Post by: Snipes3000 on February 20, 2022, 12:29:14 PM
Do not want to spoil Dr Luke fans but I subjectively feel Luke arr and songwriting skills are way behind Cheironers

I understand what you are trying to say. He's just versatile, going into hiphop territories more than the Cheironers have done and more succesfully as well. Hiphop has diffferent standards.
Title: Re: Kim Petras - Slut Pop EP (Dr. Luke)
Post by: j.fco.morales on February 20, 2022, 02:10:42 PM
Cheiron and Luke are two completely different things.

Absolutely loving this new Kim era.
Title: Re: Kim Petras - Slut Pop EP (Dr. Luke)
Post by: Helluvafella on February 22, 2022, 09:43:08 PM
I don’t know guys, as much as i love luke to me all the songs sound like Tik Tok money grab. Super short songs with “edgy”lyrics for 13 year old girls to do stupid dances to.

Title: Re: Kim Petras - Slut Pop EP (Dr. Luke)
Post by: j.fco.morales on February 24, 2022, 05:07:25 PM
Clearly you're not the target of this music haha
Title: Re: Kim Petras - Slut Pop EP (Dr. Luke)
Post by: Helluvafella on February 25, 2022, 12:04:17 AM
Haha true dat 😂
Title: Re: Kim Petras - Slut Pop EP (Dr. Luke)
Post by: Helluvafella on February 25, 2022, 12:25:32 AM
I love it just how short our attention spans have gotta over the last few decades. Some songs barely peaking over 2 mins. I bet in ten years songs with be only a minute or so long.  :(

Honestly, I hate that. Songs get shorter and shorter because (yes, we have shorter attention spans) but more importantly because shorter songs generate more streams on Spotify. Instead of getting paid by physical sales, artists getting paid in a stream, which only counts if someone listens to 30 seconds of a song. It actually makes sense if you can have more songs streamed at a time, which means that you want to pack your album full of much shorter songs. So if you have an album like Drake’s Scorpion, which is a really long double album coming in at almost 90 minutes, he’s got a ton of really short songs on there, because he gets paid for every song you listen to, whether or not you listen to the whole album. So basically Spotify is the cause. Not only are songs getting shorter, but the way artists are introducing their songs is changing. Gone is the era of long intros that sort of slowly get you into the song. Today, we are not only seeing songs getting shorter, but there is a sort of a new song structure, where basically a song, at the very beginning, will play a hint of the chorus in the first five to 10 seconds so that the hook is in your ear, hoping that you’ll stick around till about 30 seconds in when the full chorus eventually comes in.
Title: Re: Kim Petras - Slut Pop EP (Dr. Luke)
Post by: nanofives on February 25, 2022, 01:35:35 AM
Writers and producers are having the roughest time to earn money from making music, songs getting shorter is meant to be  to maintain profitability. Some people just pay rent with their music credits.
I also don't see Spotify doing anything about it, unless we pay more for Spotify, which we won't because no one is willing to pay more. It's even worse in tough economies like my country where we pay even less due to the high value of the US dollar (I think in Argentina the Spotify subscription is around 1-2 USD if you convert it).
Title: Re: Kim Petras - Slut Pop EP (Dr. Luke)
Post by: bugmenot on February 25, 2022, 07:54:02 AM
It was much better when there were 100 musicians who were getting 99% of radio time. There simply weren't any other musicians, no delusions, no ruined and wasted lives in hopes of getting super mega rich. Even Elvis Presley was working full time as an electrician.
Title: Re: Kim Petras - Slut Pop EP (Dr. Luke)
Post by: McCartneyMartin on February 25, 2022, 11:15:42 AM
Honestly, I hate that. Songs get shorter and shorter because (yes, we have shorter attention spans) but more importantly because shorter songs generate more streams on Spotify. Instead of getting paid by physical sales, artists getting paid in a stream, which only counts if someone listens to 30 seconds of a song. It actually makes sense if you can have more songs streamed at a time, which means that you want to pack your album full of much shorter songs. So if you have an album like Drake’s Scorpion, which is a really long double album coming in at almost 90 minutes, he’s got a ton of really short songs on there, because he gets paid for every song you listen to, whether or not you listen to the whole album. So basically Spotify is the cause. Not only are songs getting shorter, but the way artists are introducing their songs is changing. Gone is the era of long intros that sort of slowly get you into the song. Today, we are not only seeing songs getting shorter, but there is a sort of a new song structure, where basically a song, at the very beginning, will play a hint of the chorus in the first five to 10 seconds so that the hook is in your ear, hoping that you’ll stick around till about 30 seconds in when the full chorus eventually comes in.
I mean I'm not one to toot my own horn but most singles during the 50s and 60s and average length for song was no more than three minutes due to the fact that this was during the age of jukeboxs and the limitations of a 45 RPM single (until of course till the late sixties where you have Hey Jude being one of the longest to be on a 7" at around 7 mins) by having people throw more money into it for repetition place to put it in general terms songs were shorter so that way a person got their money's worth hey I got a chance for more people to keep spinning the song hence more plays. By the time the late 60s arrived, music shifted from less of a singles market to more often album oriented one having more room to have longer songs with more improvisation and creative freedom. That kept going until at least till the Advent of the CD in the 90s and 2000s whereas people wanted more bang for their Buck due to rising inflation and only wanted to have the songs they wanted to hear either from the radio or from a commercial etc instead of having to buy the whole record. 2003 with a turning point with the introduction of the iTunes store and the MP3 player the iPod in 2001 was a game changer with that it slowly turned back into a singles market leaving a small audience still preferring the album oriented route. Going up to the current day with streaming and artists releasing songs that don't even show up on the albums they release that and the shorter length we come full circle from the 1950s and 60s. History repeats itself but is doomed to have done wrong.

Fun fact The Beatles never had a song that wen t beyond 3 minutes until 1965 when Ticket To Ride was released with a then astonishing 3 minutes and 15 seconds (depending on pressing).
Title: Re: Kim Petras - Slut Pop EP (Dr. Luke)
Post by: Helluvafella on February 25, 2022, 12:37:32 PM
It was much better when there were 100 musicians who were getting 99% of radio time. There simply weren't any other musicians, no delusions, no ruined and wasted lives in hopes of getting super mega rich. Even Elvis Presley was working full time as an electrician.

I kind of agree.

As an avid listener, I feel overwhelmed by the sheer amount of releases. Back in 2000 we had around 70.000 releases per year. Now we’re at 70.000 per day. This leads to music being disposable as fuck. I see rappers, DJ’s, even Instagram models release a shitty new song per month. I mean, as a songwriter this feels like total madness.

Max Martin talked about “killing his babies”, basically ditching ideas until you come up with the perfect one. Nowadays it seems that people only care about quantity over quality.
Title: Re: Kim Petras - Slut Pop EP (Dr. Luke)
Post by: j.fco.morales on February 25, 2022, 05:12:32 PM
Well, that's not songwriters or streaming services fault.

It is what it is, I don't understand the point about shorter songs, new types of structures and stuff.
Title: Re: Kim Petras - Slut Pop EP (Dr. Luke)
Post by: bugmenot on March 05, 2022, 09:22:14 AM
Unreleased Dance To Forget (https://onlyfiles.io/f/45f27438ad494d298fd843ea08e88a4d)
Produced by Aaron Joseph & Dr. Luke